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kuge Peckham 11 Sep 21 12.03am
Thanks Dan. I appreciate your efforts too. So much for what I occasionally read here (when passing through to check on football stuff) is horribly ill-informed. Posts that purport to be based on knowledge but are just hollow notions should be challenged. I wish that I had more time and energy to do this. (Over thirty years of visiting and living in Japan, been to Germany too). Originally posted by DanH Yeah sorry for the confusion. Your posts are factual, informative and seemingly based on some actual real life experience of Japan too.

kuge

Peckham 11 Sep 21 12.03am

Thanks Dan.
I appreciate your efforts too.

So much for what I occasionally read here (when passing through to check on football stuff) is horribly ill-informed. Posts that purport to be based on knowledge but are just hollow notions should be challenged. I wish that I had more time and energy to do this.

(Over thirty years of visiting and living in Japan, been to Germany too).

Originally posted by DanH

Yeah sorry for the confusion. Your posts are factual, informative and seemingly based on some actual real life experience of Japan too.

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 12.06am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman We really are creating a vicious circle for this ‘need’, as it’s called. This really p1sses me off, as we see young adults being thrown on the scrap heap or into dead end low skilled jobs. Then when there’s a shortage of certain labour from immigrants, the usual idiots moan, without a second’s thought about the people being ignored in the past and now. Our leaders have steered the ship with all the forward thinking of a Captain Smith on the weed. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 12.06am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We really are creating a vicious circle for this ‘need’, as it’s called.

This really p1sses me off, as we see young adults being thrown on the scrap heap or into dead end low skilled jobs. Then when there’s a shortage of certain labour from immigrants, the usual idiots moan, without a second’s thought about the people being ignored in the past and now.

Our leaders have steered the ship with all the forward thinking of a Captain Smith on the weed.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Sep 21 12.09am
the rot in the West & Japan - the death of the nuclear family - terminal decline in fertility & births - ageing population - unaffordable housing ( accelerated by career women ) - employers cannot get workers - the pension time-bomb the solution ? immigration ? Like putting petrol on the flames. like putting Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 11 Sep 21 12.09am

the rot in the West & Japan

- the death of the nuclear family
- terminal decline in fertility & births

- ageing population
- unaffordable housing ( accelerated by career women )

- employers cannot get workers
- the pension time-bomb

the solution ? immigration ? Like putting petrol on the flames.

like putting

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 12.11am
Originally posted by kuge Thanks Dan. I appreciate your efforts too. So much for what I occasionally read here (when passing through to check on football stuff) is horribly ill-informed. Posts that purport to be based on knowledge but are just hollow notions should be challenged. I wish that I had more time and energy to do this. (Over thirty years of visiting and living in Japan, been to Germany too). I'm happy for anyone objective on this matter to read our exchange and gauge who was more interested in accuracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.15am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 12.11am

Originally posted by kuge

Thanks Dan.
I appreciate your efforts too.

(Over thirty years of visiting and living in Japan, been to Germany too).

I'm happy for anyone objective on this matter to read our exchange and gauge who was more interested in accuracy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.15am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 12.20am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I provided two links to actual facts in response to his points on Japan. He has provided no links to any 'facts'. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.00am) Did you even read your own link? “the Japanese public is more concerned about emigration – how many people choose to leave Japan – than immigration, or how many enter the country.” “While the public tends to view emigration as a problem, most are comfortable with recent immigration trends.” “Three-quarters of the Japanese public believes immigrants currently in their country want to adopt Japanese customs rather than remain distinct from the rest of society. A majority also believes that immigrants make Japan stronger through hard work and the talents they possess. Only about a third see immigrants as a burden who take jobs or rely on social benefits.”

DanH

SW2 11 Sep 21 12.20am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I provided two links to actual facts in response to his points on Japan.

He has provided no links to any 'facts'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.00am)

Did you even read your own link?

“the Japanese public is more concerned about emigration – how many people choose to leave Japan – than immigration, or how many enter the country.”

“While the public tends to view emigration as a problem, most are comfortable with recent immigration trends.”

“Three-quarters of the Japanese public believes immigrants currently in their country want to adopt Japanese customs rather than remain distinct from the rest of society. A majority also believes that immigrants make Japan stronger through hard work and the talents they possess. Only about a third see immigrants as a burden who take jobs or rely on social benefits.”

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 12.25am
Originally posted by DanH Did you even read your own link? “the Japanese public is more concerned about emigration – how many people choose to leave Japan – than immigration, or how many enter the country.” “While the public tends to view emigration as a problem, most are comfortable with recent immigration trends.” “Three-quarters of the Japanese public believes immigrants currently in their country want to adopt Japanese customs rather than remain distinct from the rest of society. A majority also believes that immigrants make Japan stronger through hard work and the talents they possess. Only about a third see immigrants as a burden who take jobs or rely on social benefits.” Yes I read it. As stated, most immigration into Japan is regional, is low anyway and not an issue....in fact it's been declining since 2019. As stated only 23 percent of Japanese want to increase immigration, which is statistically low anyway. And as far as I'm aware it's very hard to naturalise as Japanese as a European or African, so unless that changes Japan won't be changing much for a very long time. My stated point to you that Britain never needed post war commonwealth immigration to rebuild citing both Germany and Japan is clearly accurate. What specifically am I wrong about? As for Japan, I've received no rebuttals to my points, which had nothing to do with my post WW2 anyway, that have held up.....I've asked for links as evidence against my points and received none. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.33am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 12.25am

Originally posted by DanH

Did you even read your own link?

“the Japanese public is more concerned about emigration – how many people choose to leave Japan – than immigration, or how many enter the country.”

“While the public tends to view emigration as a problem, most are comfortable with recent immigration trends.”

Yes I read it.

As stated, most immigration into Japan is regional, is low anyway and not an issue....in fact it's been declining since 2019.

As stated only 23 percent of Japanese want to increase immigration, which is statistically low anyway.

And as far as I'm aware it's very hard to naturalise as Japanese as a European or African, so unless that changes Japan won't be changing much for a very long time.

My stated point to you that Britain never needed post war commonwealth immigration to rebuild citing both Germany and Japan is clearly accurate.

What specifically am I wrong about?

As for Japan, I've received no rebuttals to my points, which had nothing to do with my post WW2 anyway, that have held up.....I've asked for links as evidence against my points and received none.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.33am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 12.34am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yes I read it. As stated, most immigration into Japan is regional, is low anyway and not an issue....in fact it's been declining since 2019. As stated only 23 percent of Japanese want to increase immigration, which is statistically low anyway. And as far as I'm aware it's very hard to naturalise as Japanese as a European or African, so unless that changes Japan won't be changing much for a very long time. My stated point to you that Britain never needed post war commonwealth immigration to rebuild citing both Germany and Japan is clearly accurate. What specifically am I wrong about? As for Japan, I've received no rebuttals to my points that have held up.....I've asked for links as evidence against my points and received none. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.30am) How on Earth have you proven that we didn’t need post-war commonwealth immigration with what you have posted? You posted ‘evidence’ on Japan that didn’t even back your own point up. So funny how you think of yourself as some sort of enlightened intellect.

DanH

SW2 11 Sep 21 12.34am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yes I read it.

As stated, most immigration into Japan is regional, is low anyway and not an issue....in fact it's been declining since 2019.

As stated only 23 percent of Japanese want to increase immigration, which is statistically low anyway.

And as far as I'm aware it's very hard to naturalise as Japanese as a European or African, so unless that changes Japan won't be changing much for a very long time.

My stated point to you that Britain never needed post war commonwealth immigration to rebuild citing both Germany and Japan is clearly accurate.

What specifically am I wrong about?

As for Japan, I've received no rebuttals to my points that have held up.....I've asked for links as evidence against my points and received none.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.30am)

How on Earth have you proven that we didn’t need post-war commonwealth immigration with what you have posted?

You posted ‘evidence’ on Japan that didn’t even back your own point up.

So funny how you think of yourself as some sort of enlightened intellect.

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 12.47am
Originally posted by DanH How on Earth have you proven that we didn’t need post-war commonwealth immigration with what you have posted? You posted ‘evidence’ on Japan that didn’t even back your own point up. So funny how you think of yourself as some sort of enlightened intellect. With the point that Japan rebuilt after WW2 without requiring significant non Japanese immigration....Yet Japan was significantly more damaged than we were...and even that's an understatement. How many times do I have to make that clear? In fact even simple logic tells you that most countries rebuilt post WW2 this same way.....statistically it would have to be. There has been significant over hype on the impact of immigrants upon UK rebuilding post WW2. I asked you what specific point have I made that my link somehow disproves. Once again you avoid an actual response. That link was in response to Kuge's post about attitudes in Japan and the reality is that the majority don't want any increase. Just as is the fact that what immigration they do have is low and majority regional. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.55am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 12.47am

Originally posted by DanH

How on Earth have you proven that we didn’t need post-war commonwealth immigration with what you have posted?

You posted ‘evidence’ on Japan that didn’t even back your own point up.

So funny how you think of yourself as some sort of enlightened intellect.

With the point that Japan rebuilt after WW2 without requiring significant non Japanese immigration....Yet Japan was significantly more damaged than we were...and even that's an understatement.

How many times do I have to make that clear?

In fact even simple logic tells you that most countries rebuilt post WW2 this same way.....statistically it would have to be. There has been significant over hype on the impact of immigrants upon UK rebuilding post WW2.

I asked you what specific point have I made that my link somehow disproves.

Once again you avoid an actual response.

That link was in response to Kuge's post about attitudes in Japan and the reality is that the majority don't want any increase.

Just as is the fact that what immigration they do have is low and majority regional.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.55am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 12.56am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays With the point that Japan rebuilt after WW2 without requiring significant non Japanese immigration....Yet Japan was significantly more damaged than we were...and even that's an understatement. How many times do I have to make that clear? In fact even simple logic tells you that most countries rebuilt post WW2 this same way.....statistically it would have to be. There has been significant over hype on the impact of immigrants upon rebuilding post WW2. I asked you what specific point have I made that my link somehow disproves. Once again you avoid an actual response. That link was in response to Kuge's post about attitudes in Japan and the reality is that the majority don't want any increase. Just as is the fact that what immigration they do have is low and majority regional. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.55am) Have you actually read much about the US’s involvement about post-war Japan is that another part of history you’re happy to gloss over to fit your nationalist narrative?

DanH

SW2 11 Sep 21 12.56am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

With the point that Japan rebuilt after WW2 without requiring significant non Japanese immigration....Yet Japan was significantly more damaged than we were...and even that's an understatement.

How many times do I have to make that clear?

I asked you what specific point have I made that my link somehow disproves.

Once again you avoid an actual response.

That link was in response to Kuge's post about attitudes in Japan and the reality is that the majority don't want any increase.

Just as is the fact that what immigration they do have is low and majority regional.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.55am)

Have you actually read much about the US’s involvement about post-war Japan is that another part of history you’re happy to gloss over to fit your nationalist narrative?

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 12.58am
Originally posted by DanH Have you actually read much about the US’s involvement about post-war Japan is that another part of history you’re happy to gloss over to fit your nationalist narrative? Of course I have. Unlike you I don't have to run to Google on every point made. What is your specific point? ....Again, it's noted that you have yet again failed to answer on actual specifics. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 1.02am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 12.58am

Originally posted by DanH

Have you actually read much about the US’s involvement about post-war Japan is that another part of history you’re happy to gloss over to fit your nationalist narrative?

Of course I have.

Unlike you I don't have to run to Google on every point made.

What is your specific point? ....Again, it's noted that you have yet again failed to answer on actual specifics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 1.02am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 1.05am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Of course I have. Unlike you I don't have to run to Google on every point made. What is your specific point? That although you like to think so it wasn’t just like the Japanese rallied round, looked at each other and thought ‘let’s just fix this ourselves’. They were heavily restricted in what they could, and more pertinently, couldn’t do. A lot of their immigration hesitancy has been a result of this, and (quite rightly) having anti-western suspicion in the way they have operated. My specific point when it comes to you is that you glibly dismiss really important parts of history when it comes to understanding why the world is as it is right now. You’re far too simplistic when it is an extremely nuanced world.

DanH

SW2 11 Sep 21 1.05am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Of course I have.

Unlike you I don't have to run to Google on every point made.

What is your specific point?

That although you like to think so it wasn’t just like the Japanese rallied round, looked at each other and thought ‘let’s just fix this ourselves’. They were heavily restricted in what they could, and more pertinently, couldn’t do.

A lot of their immigration hesitancy has been a result of this, and (quite rightly) having anti-western suspicion in the way they have operated.

My specific point when it comes to you is that you glibly dismiss really important parts of history when it comes to understanding why the world is as it is right now. You’re far too simplistic when it is an extremely nuanced world.

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 1.17am
Originally posted by DanH That although you like to think so it wasn’t just like the Japanese rallied round, looked at each other and thought ‘let’s just fix this ourselves’. They were heavily restricted in what they could, and more pertinently, couldn’t do. A lot of their immigration hesitancy has been a result of this, and (quite rightly) having anti-western suspicion in the way they have operated. My specific point when it comes to you is that you glibly dismiss really important parts of history when it comes to understanding why the world is as it is right now. You’re far too simplistic when it is an extremely nuanced world. Japan's attitude on immigration wasn't just in relation to the west like you seem to imply, but was widespread to all foreigners. The Japanese rebuilt Japan, they didn't have Marshall aid money but did receive US money. There was no significant non Japanese immigration needed to run their society..The US army came and left..when the infrastructure was rebuilt it was run by the Japanese...it's just true. My point was specific and answered this over hyped notion you seem committed to on what had to happen after WW2 for rebuilding. Now you appear to want to widen the goal posts and talk about how history should be perceived. This then becomes highly subjective territory. We have conversed on this before.....I'm not being rude Dan, but is there really anything more to add? Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 1.23am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 1.17am

Originally posted by DanH

A lot of their immigration hesitancy has been a result of this, and (quite rightly) having anti-western suspicion in the way they have operated.

Japan's attitude on immigration wasn't just in relation to the west like you seem to imply, but was widespread to all foreigners.

The Japanese rebuilt Japan, they didn't have Marshall aid money but did receive US money. There was no significant non Japanese immigration needed to run their society..The US army came and left..when the infrastructure was rebuilt it was run by the Japanese...it's just true.

My point was specific and answered this over hyped notion you seem committed to on what had to happen after WW2 for rebuilding.

Now you appear to want to widen the goal posts and talk about how history should be perceived. This then becomes highly subjective territory. We have conversed on this before.....I'm not being rude Dan, but is there really anything more to add?

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 1.23am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Sep 21 9.46am
Originally posted by DanH you glibly dismiss really important parts of history when it comes to understanding why the world is as it is right now. You’re far too simplistic when it is an extremely nuanced world. and yourself Dan, guilty of the exact same crime. Who can say that London 2021 is a big improvement on 1921 ? - crime, riots, gangs, cost of living to the working man, drugs, public transport heaving under the strain, green space, noise, fatherless kids, anti social behaviour.... etc etc. Croydon has deteriorated in that time period. Immigration has correlated with this deterioration - notwithstanding its wonderful improvements to the fast food menu. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 11 Sep 21 9.46am

Originally posted by DanH

you glibly dismiss really important parts of history when it comes to understanding why the world is as it is right now.

You’re far too simplistic when it is an extremely nuanced world.

and yourself Dan, guilty of the exact same crime.

Who can say that London 2021 is a big improvement on 1921 ?

- crime, riots, gangs, cost of living to the working man, drugs, public transport heaving under the strain, green space, noise, fatherless kids, anti social behaviour.... etc etc.

Croydon has deteriorated in that time period. Immigration has correlated with this deterioration - notwithstanding its wonderful improvements to the fast food menu.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 9.51am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio and yourself Dan, guilty of the exact same crime. Who can say that London 2021 is a big improvement on 1921 ? - crime, riots, gangs, cost of living to the working man, drugs, public transport heaving under the strain, green space, noise, fatherless kids, anti social behaviour.... etc etc. Croydon has deteriorated in that time period. Immigration has correlated with this deterioration - notwithstanding its wonderful improvements to the fast food menu. You were about in London 1921 were you? Would explain a lot of things.

DanH

SW2 11 Sep 21 9.51am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

and yourself Dan, guilty of the exact same crime.

Who can say that London 2021 is a big improvement on 1921 ?

- crime, riots, gangs, cost of living to the working man, drugs, public transport heaving under the strain, green space, noise, fatherless kids, anti social behaviour.... etc etc.

Croydon has deteriorated in that time period. Immigration has correlated with this deterioration - notwithstanding its wonderful improvements to the fast food menu.

You were about in London 1921 were you? Would explain a lot of things.

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 10.01am
Originally posted by DanH You were about in London 1921 were you? Would explain a lot of things. Yeah he's white and male as well. Must be simply awful for you Dan. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 10.01am

Originally posted by DanH

You were about in London 1921 were you? Would explain a lot of things.

Yeah he's white and male as well.

Must be simply awful for you Dan.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 10.13am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah he's white and male as well. Must be simply awful for you Dan. He’s not exactly a shining light for the demographic is he?

DanH

SW2 11 Sep 21 10.13am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah he's white and male as well.

Must be simply awful for you Dan.

He’s not exactly a shining light for the demographic is he?

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Sep 21 10.19am
Originally posted by DanH The whole story isn’t taught in schools. Only the ‘good’ bits. It’s your lot that cling on to the empire and ruling the seas and sweep the nasty parts under the carpet. I'm sure, like Wisbech, you knowingly post utter crap. Firstly,I don't have a 'lot.' Unlike you, I don't need people to tell me how to think. In this current climate, all we are seeing in the media and in education is people telling us how evil the White man has been. Once again you are deluded on this subject. I will not stop saying what I think is right to protect the interests of my offspring because a bunch of jumped up, naive idealists think that we will all be holding hands together in the future.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Sep 21 10.19am

Originally posted by DanH

The whole story isn’t taught in schools. Only the ‘good’ bits.

It’s your lot that cling on to the empire and ruling the seas and sweep the nasty parts under the carpet.

I'm sure, like Wisbech, you knowingly post utter crap.

Firstly,I don't have a 'lot.' Unlike you, I don't need people to tell me how to think.

In this current climate, all we are seeing in the media and in education is people telling us how evil the White man has been.
Once again you are deluded on this subject.

I will not stop saying what I think is right to protect the interests of my offspring because a bunch of jumped up, naive idealists think that we will all be holding hands together in the future.

Teddy Eagle 11 Sep 21 10.26am
Originally posted by DanH The whole story isn’t taught in schools. Only the ‘good’ bits. It’s your lot that cling on to the empire and ruling the seas and sweep the nasty parts under the carpet. In Canada at the moment they're burning books which don't fit their agenda; including the horrors committed by Tintin and Asterix the Gaul. Shades of Year Zero.

Teddy Eagle

11 Sep 21 10.26am

Originally posted by DanH

The whole story isn’t taught in schools. Only the ‘good’ bits.

It’s your lot that cling on to the empire and ruling the seas and sweep the nasty parts under the carpet.

In Canada at the moment they're burning books which don't fit their agenda; including the horrors committed by Tintin and Asterix the Gaul. Shades of Year Zero.

DanH SW2 11 Sep 21 10.37am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm sure, like Wisbech, you knowingly post utter crap. Firstly,I don't have a 'lot.' Unlike you, I don't need people to tell me how to think. In this current climate, all we are seeing in the media and in education is people telling us how evil the White man has been. Once again you are deluded on this subject. I will not stop saying what I think is right to protect the interests of my offspring because a bunch of jumped up, naive idealists think that we will all be holding hands together in the future. I don’t think we will all be holding hands together nor that the white man is evil. I just choose to educate myself on what has actually happened in history from both sides rather than delude myself that the country that I just happened to be born in has done no wrong.

DanH

SW2 11 Sep 21 10.37am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm sure, like Wisbech, you knowingly post utter crap.

Firstly,I don't have a 'lot.' Unlike you, I don't need people to tell me how to think.

In this current climate, all we are seeing in the media and in education is people telling us how evil the White man has been.
Once again you are deluded on this subject.

I will not stop saying what I think is right to protect the interests of my offspring because a bunch of jumped up, naive idealists think that we will all be holding hands together in the future.

I don’t think we will all be holding hands together nor that the white man is evil. I just choose to educate myself on what has actually happened in history from both sides rather than delude myself that the country that I just happened to be born in has done no wrong.

Hrolf The Ganger 11 Sep 21 10.38am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle In Canada at the moment they're burning books which don't fit their agenda; including the horrors committed by Tintin and Asterix the Gaul. Shades of Year Zero. We had better start memorising the good ones before wannabee Montags come round with their fire engines.

Hrolf The Ganger

11 Sep 21 10.38am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

In Canada at the moment they're burning books which don't fit their agenda; including the horrors committed by Tintin and Asterix the Gaul. Shades of Year Zero.

We had better start memorising the good ones before wannabee Montags come round with their fire engines.

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