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Stirlingsays 23 Nov 20 11.48am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
You've used the deeply flawed car analogy before - car accidents aren't contagious. If you want to use the car analogy then not getting vaccinated is the equivalent of dangerous driving - you're putting yourself in harms way but you're also in danger of harming others. The day you consider anyone else in the world that's not you will be a nice one. Edited by DanH (23 Nov 2020 10.00am) Mr two cars accountant thinks I'm selfish. The comparison with cars is in the danger of them...car accidents don't require contagion to be fatal, but the end result is the same......the fact that you choose convenience over risk is because it suits you. The fact that I had to point this out is rather depressing. Life is risk, there have been people walking around with infectious aliments every day for all of your life....you never turned your head until the state told you. You can call me selfish if you like. I don't cough into people's faces and I tend to respect personal space as my natural culture. If you wish to be a drone that's for you. Whether or not I take a vaccine is my personal choice. You know liberty.....that thing authoritarians don't care about.....and you had the cheek to call me Mosley. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2020 11.51am)
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DanH SW2 23 Nov 20 12.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mr two cars accountant thinks I'm selfish. The comparison with cars is in the danger of them...car accidents don't require contagion to be fatal, but the end result is the same......the fact that you choose convenience over risk is because it suits you. The fact that I had to point this out is rather depressing. Life is risk, there have been people walking around with infectious aliments every day for all of your life....you never turned your head until the state told you. You can call me selfish if you like. I don't cough into people's faces and I tend to respect personal space as my natural culture. If you wish to be a drone that's for you. Whether or not I take a vaccine is my personal choice. You know liberty.....that thing authoritarians don't care about.....and you had the cheek to call me Mosley. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2020 11.51am) It's an absolutely terrible comparison. But if you want to stick with it, the amount of time and energy scientists and engineers have put into making cars safer over the years is insane. Do you trust the work they've done to make you safer or do you insist on the airbags being removed from your car because you don't trust the science behind them? I assume you also refuse to wear a seatbelt too because someone else told you to do so and this wasn't your own decision. Do you honestly also believe that coronavirus only spreads from coughing into people's faces? I have some news for you about virus transmission if so. If this was something that could not pass from person to person I couldn't give a flying f*ck if people wanted to get vaccinated or not. The whole point of this is because even though YOU could be fine, the people you pass it on to, and the people they pass it on to might not be. That's what it comes down to, whether you give a flying f*ck about that or not. People that don't want to get vaccinated obviously don't. The vaccine will allow you, and everyone else, to get ALL their personal liberties back. Scientists have been working night and day to get the world back to that point. Please trust them.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Nov 20 12.10pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
It's an absolutely terrible comparison. But if you want to stick with it, the amount of time and energy scientists and engineers have put into making cars safer over the years is insane. Do you trust the work they've done to make you safer or do you insist on the airbags being removed from your car because you don't trust the science behind them? I assume you also refuse to wear a seatbelt too because someone else told you to do so and this wasn't your own decision. Do you honestly also believe that coronavirus only spreads from coughing into people's faces? I have some news for you about virus transmission if so. If this was something that could not pass from person to person I couldn't give a flying f*ck if people wanted to get vaccinated or not. The whole point of this is because even though YOU could be fine, the people you pass it on to, and the people they pass it on to might not be. That's what it comes down to, whether you give a flying f*ck about that or not. People that don't want to get vaccinated obviously don't. The vaccine will allow you, and everyone else, to get ALL their personal liberties back. Scientists have been working night and day to get the world back to that point. Please trust them. You’re aware that a long time goes into testing car safety? Are you aware the government will be doing its research and safety surveys while everyone is being vaccinated rather than before? I know, I’ve been sent an invite.
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cryrst The garden of England 23 Nov 20 12.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Just the wife got it Cryrst? Catching it from a family member is bad news. You tend to get hit by a big viral load as it's normally going full pelt with them. It's not like catching it from someone that isn't obviously unwell. So if you can do be really careful. My thoughts are with you and yours. Edited by Mapletree (23 Nov 2020 10.57am) Thanks maple.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Nov 20 12.28pm | |
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Dan, If people are vulnerable they can have the vaccine, which is what’s going to happen for longer than you’re being told btw. Are you going to lock yourself up because it’s still not safe? Everyone else is 99.95% roughly safe. This is what I replied to Bluejay with and he agreed it’s personal choice. What’s your opinion? If the others you’re around are vaccinated then....? If they aren’t then it’s their choice? The vaccines have 90-95% efficacy, don’t they???? Or do they? Dan, I think you’re a little hysterical underneath your armour of virtue.
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Eaglecoops CR3 23 Nov 20 12.47pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yeah that's fair enough. It will (quite rightly) be rolled out in order of risk and priority so if you're not in the high risk category you probably won't be towards the front anyway. I understand people that have concerns; it's those with the staggering arrogance to think that they know better than the entire global medical/scientific community and flat out refuse to have one that I find absolutely mental. Those brought up in the thalidomide era will have an inbuilt nervousness to vaccines given that was a drug that had already been declared safe. The vaccines currently being developed are a new technology that is in its infancy. If you want to go shooting that up straight away then more power to you but I’m going to hang on for a bit and I don’t need someone telling me that I should be following the science. After all they were the ones who said masks are useless and changed their mind to really important. I hope it’s not those scientists that are working on the vaccine in case they go, “it’s totally safe “ followed by “Doh!”
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chris123 hove actually 23 Nov 20 1.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Those brought up in the thalidomide era will have an inbuilt nervousness to vaccines given that was a drug that had already been declared safe. The vaccines currently being developed are a new technology that is in its infancy. If you want to go shooting that up straight away then more power to you but I’m going to hang on for a bit and I don’t need someone telling me that I should be following the science. After all they were the ones who said masks are useless and changed their mind to really important. I hope it’s not those scientists that are working on the vaccine in case they go, “it’s totally safe “ followed by “Doh!” Thalidomide is a drug not a vaccine.
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Stirlingsays 23 Nov 20 1.21pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
It's an absolutely terrible comparison. But if you want to stick with it, the amount of time and energy scientists and engineers have put into making cars safer over the years is insane. Do you trust the work they've done to make you safer or do you insist on the airbags being removed from your car because you don't trust the science behind them? I assume you also refuse to wear a seatbelt too because someone else told you to do so and this wasn't your own decision. Once again, the comparison with cars concerns risk and our choice to take them. You appear here to be trying to make a point about trust instead. Well, the modifications made to make cars safer have been with us for many decades whereas these vaccines have been rushed through extremely quickly.....You can blindly trust the state....and I won't say you'd be wrong in this instance but you are certainly more trusting than I am....but this wasn't really my point. Originally posted by DanH
Do you honestly also believe that coronavirus only spreads from coughing into people's faces? I have some news for you about virus transmission if so. Deary deary me. Originally posted by DanH
If this was something that could not pass from person to person I couldn't give a flying f*ck if people wanted to get vaccinated or not. The whole point of this is because even though YOU could be fine, the people you pass it on to, and the people they pass it on to might not be. That's what it comes down to, whether you give a flying f*ck about that or not. People that don't want to get vaccinated obviously don't. The vaccine will allow you, and everyone else, to get ALL their personal liberties back. Scientists have been working night and day to get the world back to that point. Please trust them. We don't agree upon where the balance stands between the citizen and state on basic civil liberties. I've always regarded the Swedish approach to this as being the best balance and I've seen nothing to change my mind. I repeat, this is not the black death, this is a aliment with a low death rate and I've already shown that you are prepared to take risks with your life and the lives of others where you see fit. I made the car comparison to illustrate risk....You wanted a contagious comparison. AIDs was contagious.....would you have banned sex because it was always going to contain the risk of transmission condoms or not? Also you write about these vaccines as if they have been created for charity or something. No, it's pure capitalism and a race for profit. That's not a criticism as such but I regard your characterization as almost child-like. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Nov 2020 2.46pm)
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Spiderman Horsham 23 Nov 20 1.25pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Thalidomide is a drug not a vaccine. But what he said still applies. Expectant mothers being told it was perfectly safe, but it wasn’t was it! I totally agree with eaglescoop
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Stirlingsays 23 Nov 20 1.37pm | |
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There are a lot of people who are very trusting of the state and officialdom. My trust has been eroded over these last twenty or so years....and I've worked for the state myself within educational institutions. I have no doubt that the take up on the eventual offered vaccine(s) will be high. I also have little doubt that those in high risk categories will voluntarily also have high take up rates. Those that take the vaccine or defer, take their own choice and associated risk. However, I find the idea that people would be punished in some way for not completely trusting officialdom almost bizarre. It's been said before but we appear to continue on a path in society where some act like 1984 was a guide book rather than a warning.
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Eaglecoops CR3 23 Nov 20 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
Thalidomide is a drug not a vaccine. Are you putting an unknown substance in your body or not. If the answer is yes who gives a damn what it is.
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chris123 hove actually 23 Nov 20 1.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
But what he said still applies. Expectant mothers being told it was perfectly safe, but it wasn’t was it! I totally agree with eaglescoop Do have a flu jab?
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