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 kingdowieonthewall  Sussex, ex-Cronx. 04 Jan 21 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Am I the only one here who believes that this site would be so much better without Wisbech? could be a few others..
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 04 Jan 21 7.44pm |
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Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall
could be a few others.. Go on, name some names?..
"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit |
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Jan 21 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by IMMER PALACE
Wisbech? Assuming the name reflects where the poster is from.....Never mind knees, the fella has voted with his feet choosing to live in a part of the country which is....97.2% white. Whilst lecturing the rest of the world. Edited by IMMER PALACE (04 Jan 2021 7.15pm) He is not from Wisbech. I believe he moved there for work but soon Edited by Spiderman (04 Jan 2021 8.25pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Jan 21 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Once again you are spouting desperate misrepresentation. The truth is all I seek. In case you missed it, I am not apologising for anyone or anything. I am offering rational explanations as to why these actions might have been taken. I condemn criminals and violence. I don't condemn the innocent bystanders. People are always innocent until proven guilty in my world. Maybe not though in yours? Just as they aren't in Trump's. That IS the truth. Though I doubt whether you will even begin to understand it, let alone accept it. Has Trump been found guilty of anything? I don’t mean in your eyes I mean in a court of law? If not, then by your rationale he is innocent!
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Jan 21 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Why? I get my information from sources I regard as reliable and not subject to wild unedited conspiracy theories. I don't suppose any of us personally witnessed these events. Show me something that has been verified as factually true which confirms your "awareness" and then maybe you might have a point. When others get information from sources they believe are reliable, but you disagree with them, you claim they are conspiracy theories or fake news or even bs Ever considered your sources may not be as reliable as you believe? Edited by Spiderman (04 Jan 2021 8.32pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
What you said then ... I am not responsible for what those running the census want to establish! Nor am I! Nor does it mean that I think they have an agenda! What is meant is that as I have no idea what the point of that question might be I cannot be held responsible for it. I do though acknowledge that my construction was a little clumsy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 8.45pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
What you said then ... I am not responsible for what those running the census want to establish! Nor am I! Nor does it mean that I think they have an agenda! What is meant is that as I have no idea what the point of that question might be I cannot be held responsible for it. I do though acknowledge that my construction was a little clumsy.
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| Spiderman Horsham 04 Jan 21 8.53pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nor am I! Nor does it mean that I think they have an agenda! What is meant is that as I have no idea what the point of that question might be I cannot be held responsible for it. I do though acknowledge that my construction was a little clumsy.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 04 Jan 21 9.29pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Go on, name some names?.. Me, but he is an old boy and not in the best of health, so let him have his say. We don’t have to listen if we don’t want to.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 9.33pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
You stated that BLM didn't exist in this country before last year. The fact that you didn't "notice" or had forgotten the BLM protests in 2016 (which you seem to think was just a "weird political protest" back then) and that it didn't become "popular" until 2020 to you isn't a "big deal". I agree actually. It wasn't a big deal to you until it became popular it seems. Why is that? The cause as stated in that article from the BBC (a trusted source?) was very much anti-racism yet you and others who were not directly caught up in the "weird political protests" chose to ignore or forget it. And why you brought UKIP into it can only be pondered upon. And if you think that I am guilty of "This attempt to tarnish the efforts of the players, and many others, by seeking to associate them with political activism is doing many people who only wish to demonstrate that they care a great disservice" then you are, not for the first time, wrong. I'm just pointing out that the fact that you either didn't notice or had forgotten the BLM protests of 2016 doesn't mean that they didn't have resonance then or that it didn't exist before the death of George Floyd in this country. There's nothing wrong with admitting one's wrong occasionally. In fact, it's a strong trait. I have no problem at all in admitting I am wrong. The whole point here though is that many people are continuing to conflate the political movement which is known as BLM and grew out of the original protests in 2013 with what started last year. Black Lives Matter is a very disparate and broad protest movement which means different things to different people. It has no central organisation. To associate the political organisation with what has subsequently happened is just wrong. That they both use the same name is unfortunate. It is as silly as suggesting anyone with the surname Trump is a self-obsessive. Judd would be a little upset! If you believe all these things are to be regarded as just parts of a whole then I am wrong. I don't believe that, so don't myself believe I am.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 9.39pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
When others get information from sources they believe are reliable, but you disagree with them, you claim they are conspiracy theories or fake news or even bs Ever considered your sources may not be as reliable as you believe? Edited by Spiderman (04 Jan 2021 8.32pm) My reference was to the benefit of sources subjected to editing and legal oversight. Who-ever uses them, rather than just internet sources, are likely to possess a greater degree of truth. That's not to say that anyone, me included, will agree with the opinions of others. There is though a world of difference between a lie and an opinion.
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| AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 04 Jan 21 9.41pm |
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Very democratic! If we all agreed, you'd have a very boring forum.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Has Trump been found guilty of anything? I don’t mean in your eyes I mean in a court of law? If not, then by your rationale he is innocent! Of course he is. At the moment. That is not to say that I don't expect him to face charges sometime soon. Being POTUS, and being protected from prosecution whilst in office, puts Trump in a unique position. Most people with his record would likely be in jail by now. In my opinion.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
He is not from Wisbech. I believe he moved there for work but soon Edited by Spiderman (04 Jan 2021 8.25pm) I was there for 12 years. Long enough to build a business and know the place pretty well. Which annoys one of our regular posters a little from time to time. Being where I am now is absolutely no barrier to holding opinions on any matter. Indeed standing back from things can enable a clearer view.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Me, but he is an old boy and not in the best of health, so let him have his say. We don’t have to listen if we don’t want to. I am not old! I am mature. I have some age and experience. Wisdom comes with both. My health problem might well impact my life expectancy and, in time, cause me to add weight but right now I live an active life. I walk at least 2 miles every day and until this new lockdown played active aport at least twice a week. Despite the frequent sarcastic, or worse, comments here my brain is lively and always thirsting for knowledge. You don't get asked to be chairman of your club if you are a dimwit. I may well be a thorn in the sides of some here but in other places I am respected. I might be 76 but that's nothing at all to me. I intend to try to be as active as this at 100. So you had better get used to it.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 04 Jan 21 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not old! I am mature. I have some age and experience. Wisdom comes with both. My health problem might well impact my life expectancy and, in time, cause me to add weight but right now I live an active life. I walk at least 2 miles every day and until this new lockdown played active aport at least twice a week. Despite the frequent sarcastic, or worse, comments here my brain is lively and always thirsting for knowledge. You don't get asked to be chairman of your club if you are a dimwit. I may well be a thorn in the sides of some here but in other places I am respected. I might be 76 but that's nothing at all to me. I intend to try to be as active as this at 100. So you had better get used to it. Whatever, if it gives you something to do, then who am I to argue.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You don't care about the truth....you stated on here that the truth can be covered up if you think it leads to worst outcomes. You are damned by your copious disingenuous words on this platform. So much so it's only the progressive left who will defend the self described 'one nation conservative' on here. Another of your lies. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2021 3.48pm) I don't believe for a moment that I have ever said "that the truth can be covered up if you think it leads to worst outcomes." I suspect that to be another of the gross misrepresentations you are so extraordinarily fond of. That there are times when our security forces, or other public officials like the Police, may suppress stories if to release them would be against the public interest is obvious. D notices still exist. So sometimes the truth can be withheld by some people if to release would not be wise. The right to free speech is not absolute. Every right has to be exercised responsibly and lawfully. Without the law there is no freedom. Only anarchy. That you categorise people by your own standards always says so much more about you then ever it does about them. Being thought "disingenuous" by you seems like a compliment to me. Whether any of the posters here would see themselves as "progressive left" is an open question which only they can answer. Your opinion, or mine, is irrelevant. As a traditional, one nation, conservative I see similar values to mine in all the major political parties. Which is why we desperately need a new centrist party to represent those views which I firmly believe is the majority opinion in the UK. The right and left are just the noisest. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Jan 2021 10.58pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by becky
So the clenched raised fist that so many of these footballers display when taking the knee just means that they want to go to the bathroom, and has nothing to do with the universally accepted symbolism of the 'black power' movement I take it? I tend to agree that is an unfortunate mistake by some of the players that distracts from the main message. If I was able to advise them I would encourage that it be stopped. I haven't though heard any of them trying to explain why they do it so reserve final judgement until I do. Maybe some feel they are just showing solidarity with others who have suffered racist abuse.
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