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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Aug 17 2.34pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

This thread isn't about 'bloody sunday'.

That event was a stain on the British Army and something we have rightly apologized for. It was a situation of a failure of command of a unit under stress but it still isn't defensible.

It has fcuk all to do with Venezuelan murder gangs going around looking for people to murder in 2017 and has to be one of the most annoying examples of 'whataboutery' I've come across yet.

That game could be played for ever and a day.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 2.37pm)

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 08 Aug 17 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a good thing we aren't in the same room right now.

You talk absolute bull.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 2.16pm)

Why? Did you just let one off?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Aug 17 2.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Why? Did you just let one off?

Yeah yeah....I've calmed down now.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 08 Aug 17 2.42pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah yeah....I've calmed down now.


I was actually agreeing with you and tbh I do have a very valid point even if a bit windy uppy. Tianaman, Seoul, Caracas, Amritsar (us again) and Derry etc. No excuses. No real difference. Murder by the authorities/security forces.

Edited by Kermit8 (08 Aug 2017 2.43pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Aug 17 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8


I was actually agreeing with you and tbh I do have a very valid point even if a bit windy uppy. Tianaman, Caracas, Amritsar (us again) and Derry etc. No excuses. No real difference. Murder by the authorities/security forces.

Bloody sunday wasn't sanctioned, that's not fair.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 08 Aug 17 2.49pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

London riots: Croydon 'is a war zone

After the 'execution' of an unarmed black male suspected of robbery by armed police.


 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Aug 17 2.49pm

Any government that kills or unlawfully imprisons its own people, is unjust. You cannot claim to be a revolution for the people, and then kill those people who disagree.

The greater good cannot be decided by the sacrifice of other people, only the individual can be relied on to make that choice themselves.

Countries that chooses to kill in anything other than a last resort should be questioned. Those that endorse it, rejected.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 08 Aug 17 2.51pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

London riots: Croydon 'is a war zone

After the 'execution' of an unarmed black male suspected of robbery by armed police.


He's got a point, every time an unarmed man is killed by armed police, we should look very closely and as independently as possible at the event, circumstances etc.

Whenever agents of the state kill citizens, we should be right to be concerned to the point that we dissect the event to certainty.

The role of the police is not to kill citizens.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 08 Aug 17 2.54pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Bloody sunday wasn't sanctioned, that's not fair.


A helluvalot of murder by security forces the world over isn't sanctioned but it is whitewashed or ignored by those in power at the time. Of course it is. Official murderers or on the hoof killers in uniform are no different especially when the perpetrators are (at the time) allowed to get away with it.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 08 Aug 17 2.59pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I was actually agreeing with you and tbh I do have a very valid point even if a bit windy uppy. Tianaman, Seoul, Caracas, Amritsar (us again) and Derry etc. No excuses. No real difference. Murder by the authorities/security forces.

Edited by Kermit8 (08 Aug 2017 2.43pm)

I wonder which events Corbyn unambiguously condemned - those not involving people he supported no doubt.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 08 Aug 17 3.00pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

London riots: Croydon 'is a war zone

After the 'execution' of an unarmed black male suspected of robbery by armed police.

Croydon is more or less a war zone all of the time these days.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Aug 17 3.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8


A helluvalot of murder by security forces the world over isn't sanctioned but it is whitewashed or ignored by those in power at the time. Of course it is. Official murderers or on the hoof killers in uniform are no different especially when the perpetrators are (at the time) allowed to get away with it.

What happened on bloody sunday was not what happened in that video. That unit did not intend to murder people...I can't say about individuals. If that unit had wanted to murder everyone we would have been talking about far far deaths. That incident involved confusion and stress and mistakes....unforgivable mistakes. I won't defend it....but it wasn't the same.

I repeat the British government did not condone murdering protesters. For you to waffle equivalencies with a terrible incident 45 years ago is just completely ludicrous.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2017 3.05pm)

 


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