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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 8.16am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Should someone compile a list of incidents that 'have nothing to do with Islam', but have been carried out by Muslims? The fear is that the HOL IT Servers would not cope with the post. If you want. Doesn't change the fact that Sikhs in the edl are naughty boys. That's the crux of my point.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Sep 17 8.34am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If you want. Doesn't change the fact that Sikhs in the edl are naughty boys. That's the crux of my point. But surely it has 'absolutely nothing whatever to do with Sikhism', or is it only the activities of Muslims that have nothing to do with their religion?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Sep 17 10.09am |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
I don't see how the the likes of the BNP are pro-democratic when they clearly would like to remove any democratic rights from certain groups of people. Or are referring to a kind of Athenian democracy where the citizens can vote, but not slaves? Because they stand in elections, and put their policy to the population to decide. That's the basis of democracy, and as much as I might hate them, the fact that they're prepared to do that, no matter how much of a neo-fascist background they have, to me, makes them democratic. Because in reality, if we, the people, should be represented - if 5% of the population support these c**ts and their policy, then they deserve to be represented in government. I don't like UKIP but its a display of how corrupt our democratic system is that they got twice as many votes as the Liberal Democrats at a national election, and returned one seat to the lib dems 8 or so. Either you're democratic, and everyone gets a vote that counts, even the c**ts, or you're just playing a rigged system.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Sep 17 10.24am |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
could be worse Kermit, Hillary could be in charge. You know the one who defended the guy who raped a 12 year old girl and laughed about it knowing full well he was guilty.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCDzRtZLUkc I honestly think the US would have been better off without a president, than with Trump. I didn't like Hilary, but at least she was reasonably competent and intelligent. She was a lawyer, its her job. The legal systems of both the UK and US are accusatorial systems, and as such the law requires that defendant receive the best defence possible, in order to achieve a fair trial. And that means people accused of child rape. Even if you know they're guilty, deserve a fair trial and representation.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Sep 17 10.26am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Are the EDL anti democratic? I've had a look at 'national action' and what I saw wasn't very pretty...so yeah. I'll have a look at EDL. They represent a political movement in the UK that does not participate in elections, and instead exist as a street movement. Like Antifa, that makes them very questionable in my book, as they kind of fulfil a critiera of fascist movements (and communist movements) that see the route to political change through direct action, and not democratic process. Fundermentally, the pursuit of political change, through non-democratic change.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Sep 17 10.30am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If you want. Doesn't change the fact that Sikhs in the edl are naughty boys. That's the crux of my point. I think a lot of people in the EDL are 'naughty boys' - It wouldn't surprise me that it would appeal to Sikhs with very anti-muslim attitudes. I don't think it would accurately describe Sikhs in general, any more than ISIS represent muslims that you meet and interact with in every day life.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Sep 17 10.35am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
But surely it has 'absolutely nothing whatever to do with Sikhism', or is it only the activities of Muslims that have nothing to do with their religion? It doesn't, it almost certainly has much more to do with individuals. Same as c**ts who bomb Pop gigs, or abortion clinics, the problem is much more with those individuals, than the religion they justify their acts in the name of. Fundamentalism appeals to and embraces the intolerant, and gives those who are vicious, or insecure, something that they are allowed to hate.
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 Beanyboysmd 14 Sep 17 10.49am |
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How to spot a vacuous psudo-interlectual conversation... 'So you have been keeping track of recent events?' Not just here btw, I get this kind of nonscence on facebook too. Because of course the 25 communists in this country are clearly at the heart of every issue and have to be discussed...
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Sep 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If you want. Doesn't change the fact that Sikhs in the edl are naughty boys. That's the crux of my point. Gusset prejudiced against Sikhs, who would have thought it - what is the world coming to.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Gusset prejudiced against Sikhs, who would have thought it - what is the world coming to. Who said anything about being prejudiced against Sikhs?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Sep 17 1.02pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who said anything about being prejudiced against Sikhs? You are saying they are fascists! Mind you, as you seem to regard anyone who disagrees with you as fascists, I guess that makes you prejudiced against most people.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Sep 17 2.10pm |
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The problem seems to be, that every time someone has an opinion that is slightly right of center Nick and his cohort, start bandying all kind of "ists" about, but the very nano second they themselves are accused of being Trotsky incarnate them selves, they start crying that not all lefties are like that. Well...not all right leaning individuals are knuckle dragging "ists" either. It's something that even moderate lefties seem to jump on the minute they think someone is a daily mail reader. Draw the same comparison to someone who reads the Grauniad and your a an evil "ist" Double standards, is what annoys me about those lefty critters.
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