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silvertop Portishead 03 Apr 24 6.16pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly As i understood it, from a radio broadcast,..the remote access was a (failed) attempt to identify software errors and correct them. This was a continual and ongoing program, rather than fixing the faulty software. They knew the errors were there,...and tried to correct them with remote access, but this ultimately failed. And they continued to prosecute many Postmasters, most of whom lost their careers, some were jailed, and ultimately some took their own lives. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Apr 2024 6.08pm) So this was evidence of timing of knowledge, not of fabrication or tampering?
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Portishead 03 Apr 24 6.16pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

As i understood it, from a radio broadcast,..the remote access was a (failed) attempt to identify software errors and correct them. This was a continual and ongoing program, rather than fixing the faulty software.

They knew the errors were there,...and tried to correct them with remote access, but this ultimately failed. And they continued to prosecute many Postmasters, most of whom lost their careers, some were jailed, and ultimately some took their own lives.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (03 Apr 2024 6.08pm)

So this was evidence of timing of knowledge, not of fabrication or tampering?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Apr 24 7.53am
Originally posted by silvertop So this was evidence of timing of knowledge, not of fabrication or tampering? Not fabrication or tampering. They were trying to correct the errors remotely that the software was generating. this is evidence that the Post Office (it's executives) and Fujitsu knew of the software errors, and yet let the prosecutions of Postmasters continue, without disclosing the software errors to the Postmasters defence team. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by silvertop

So this was evidence of timing of knowledge, not of fabrication or tampering?

Not fabrication or tampering. They were trying to correct the errors remotely that the software was generating.

this is evidence that the Post Office (it's executives) and Fujitsu knew of the software errors, and yet let the prosecutions of Postmasters continue, without disclosing the software errors to the Postmasters defence team.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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The Dolphin 12 Apr 24 1.55pm
I have listened to some of Mr Cooks evidence today and now Crozier has started. Given the money that they were robbing the taxpayer of, one might have thought that they knew how to run a business - they obviously didn't - and that their memories might be somewhat better than - " I do not recall" or "I am unsure". Pathetic, and one suspects that this failing circus is the same all through our largest organisations where apparently we have to pay huge salaries to get the very best people. If this lot are the very best then no wonder we are in such deep s***!
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I have listened to some of Mr Cooks evidence today and now Crozier has started.
Given the money that they were robbing the taxpayer of, one might have thought that they knew how to run a business - they obviously didn't - and that their memories might be somewhat better than - " I do not recall" or "I am unsure".
Pathetic, and one suspects that this failing circus is the same all through our largest organisations where apparently we have to pay huge salaries to get the very best people.
If this lot are the very best then no wonder we are in such deep s***!

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 24 6.21pm
It seems the thieving b'stards were the people in charge of the Post Office, who whilst ruining innocent people's lives, were collecting huge salaries for doing very little,...to the point of sheer incompetence. Jail would be just, and a re-payment of their salaries. I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 24 6.21pm

It seems the thieving b'stards were the people in charge of the Post Office, who whilst ruining innocent people's lives, were collecting huge salaries for doing very little,...to the point of sheer incompetence.

Jail would be just, and a re-payment of their salaries.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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The Dolphin 13 Apr 24 9.16am
Correct on all counts Forest!
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13 Apr 24 9.16am

Correct on all counts Forest!

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Apr 24 11.24am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly It seems the thieving b'stards were the people in charge of the Post Office, who whilst ruining innocent people's lives, were collecting huge salaries for doing very little,...to the point of sheer incompetence. Jail would be just, and a re-payment of their salaries. I saw this on a news feed, about Cook saying that all 'subbies' had their hand in the till . . . [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Apr 24 11.24am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Jail would be just, and a re-payment of their salaries.

I saw this on a news feed, about Cook saying that all 'subbies' had their hand in the till . . . [Link]

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 13 Apr 24 3.31pm
Former sub-postmaster Alan Bates says he will consider raising funds for private prosecutions of Post Office bosses over the Horizon IT scandal. He told the BBC he would act if the authorities did not take cases forward. "It was fine when the Post Office brought private prosecutions, so if we've got to do it in return so be it", he said. I would give money to fund that, but prosecuting is something the CPS should really be investigating. Prosecute them, take back their salaries and a large damages claim. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Former sub-postmaster Alan Bates says he will consider raising funds for private prosecutions of Post Office bosses over the Horizon IT scandal.
He told the BBC he would act if the authorities did not take cases forward.
"It was fine when the Post Office brought private prosecutions, so if we've got to do it in return so be it", he said.

I would give money to fund that, but prosecuting is something the CPS should really be investigating. Prosecute them, take back their salaries and a large damages claim.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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The Dolphin 13 Apr 24 5.30pm
His gofundme page would be well supported. Also Cook did make that comment in an email. Disgraceful, but no doubt his pension will stop him worrying too much.
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13 Apr 24 5.30pm

His gofundme page would be well supported.
Also Cook did make that comment in an email.
Disgraceful, but no doubt his pension will stop him worrying too much.

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The Dolphin 16 Apr 24 3.53pm
Lawyer says to a former CEO after he has failed to answer a question properly - "your are either lying or incompetent" - he replied that he wasn't lying and so the Lawyer said "you must be incompetent then" - if you say so says Mr Mills. The sheer incompetence and deceit is laid bare at every turn. The Post Office command had no idea what was going on anywhere in the organisations that they supposedly ran. One would hope that this shambles will have ramifications elsewhere - but I doubt it!
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16 Apr 24 3.53pm

Lawyer says to a former CEO after he has failed to answer a question properly - "your are either lying or incompetent" - he replied that he wasn't lying and so the Lawyer said "you must be incompetent then" - if you say so says Mr Mills.
The sheer incompetence and deceit is laid bare at every turn.
The Post Office command had no idea what was going on anywhere in the organisations that they supposedly ran.
One would hope that this shambles will have ramifications elsewhere - but I doubt it!

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 27 Apr 24 4.59am
i don't know why this shocks me , or even surprises me. Just the depths of depravity that our 'leaders' will sink to to cover their own @r535. "The widow of a sub-postmaster who took his own life had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with the Post Office in exchange for staggered compensation payments, an inquiry has heard. The family of sub-postmaster Martin Griffiths also had to agree not to pursue legal action to try to clear his name and get more money. During a second day of questioning, former Post Office executive Angela van den Bogerd was shown emails where she and her colleagues discussed hiring a media lawyer after learning that Mr Griffiths was seriously ill in hospital. It also emerged that the then chief executive, Paula Vennells, questioned whether Mr Griffiths had "previous mental health issues and potential family issues" to feed back to the board"/media. I think Van de Bogerd and Vennells look like they are going to take the biggest hit on this, while the other t0553rs hide back in the shadows I want them (and others) to re-pay all their wages for the times they committed these activities under the banner of the PO. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Apr 2024 5.01am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 27 Apr 24 4.59am

i don't know why this shocks me , or even surprises me. Just the depths of depravity that our 'leaders' will sink to to cover their own @r535.

"The widow of a sub-postmaster who took his own life had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with the Post Office in exchange for staggered compensation payments, an inquiry has heard.
The family of sub-postmaster Martin Griffiths also had to agree not to pursue legal action to try to clear his name and get more money.
During a second day of questioning, former Post Office executive Angela van den Bogerd was shown emails where she and her colleagues discussed hiring a media lawyer after learning that Mr Griffiths was seriously ill in hospital.
It also emerged that the then chief executive, Paula Vennells, questioned whether Mr Griffiths had "previous mental health issues and potential family issues" to feed back to the board"/media.

I think Van de Bogerd and Vennells look like they are going to take the biggest hit on this, while the other t0553rs hide back in the shadows
I want them (and others) to re-pay all their wages for the times they committed these activities under the banner of the PO.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Apr 2024 5.01am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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dreamwaverider London 27 Apr 24 5.30am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly i don't know why this shocks me , or even surprises me. Just the depths of depravity that our 'leaders' will sink to to cover their own @r535. "The widow of a sub-postmaster who took his own life had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with the Post Office in exchange for staggered compensation payments, an inquiry has heard. The family of sub-postmaster Martin Griffiths also had to agree not to pursue legal action to try to clear his name and get more money. During a second day of questioning, former Post Office executive Angela van den Bogerd was shown emails where she and her colleagues discussed hiring a media lawyer after learning that Mr Griffiths was seriously ill in hospital. It also emerged that the then chief executive, Paula Vennells, questioned whether Mr Griffiths had "previous mental health issues and potential family issues" to feed back to the board"/media. I think Van de Bogerd and Vennells look like they are going to take the biggest hit on this, while the other t0553rs hide back in the shadows I want them (and others) to re-pay all their wages for the times they committed these activities under the banner of the PO. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Apr 2024 5.01am) These two and many more public sector executives who let their unconditional power go to their heads should really get hammered over this. Besides the obvious punishments of hefty financial penalties and imprisonment (which knowing this country just will not happen), public humility on a savage scale may just help them realise what complete animals they have been. I dont often use bad words, but think of the very worst and apply it to these individuals. They all stink and the more punishment to try to get them to come down a peg or two (times 100) the better. In the old days I would have given them a weekend bank holiday in the stocks with plenty of rotten tomatoes to chuck at them They are a disgrace to human kind and need to understand this.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

i don't know why this shocks me , or even surprises me. Just the depths of depravity that our 'leaders' will sink to to cover their own @r535.

I think Van de Bogerd and Vennells look like they are going to take the biggest hit on this, while the other t0553rs hide back in the shadows
I want them (and others) to re-pay all their wages for the times they committed these activities under the banner of the PO.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (27 Apr 2024 5.01am)

These two and many more public sector executives who let their unconditional power go to their heads should really get hammered over this.
Besides the obvious punishments of hefty financial penalties and imprisonment (which knowing this country just will not happen), public humility on a savage scale may just help them realise what complete animals they have been.
I dont often use bad words, but think of the very worst and apply it to these individuals. They all stink and the more punishment to try to get them to come down a peg or two (times 100) the better.
In the old days I would have given them a weekend bank holiday in the stocks with plenty of rotten tomatoes to chuck at them They are a disgrace to human kind and need to understand this.

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The Dolphin 27 Apr 24 8.16am
These people were either very poor at doing their jobs - that is becoming obvious as it happens - or being complicit in waging war against the post masters and mistresses. Either is inexcusable but I am sick to death of hearing comments like "I should obviously had paid more attention to that email" and so on. These were people draining the public purse and they still are. Just dreadful employees and management. Send the whole lot to prison, take away their cushy pensions and drop all charges and pay huge compensation now! Blood scandal next up.
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27 Apr 24 8.16am

These people were either very poor at doing their jobs - that is becoming obvious as it happens - or being complicit in waging war against the post masters and mistresses.
Either is inexcusable but I am sick to death of hearing comments like "I should obviously had paid more attention to that email" and so on.
These were people draining the public purse and they still are.
Just dreadful employees and management.
Send the whole lot to prison, take away their cushy pensions and drop all charges and pay huge compensation now!
Blood scandal next up.

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