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Matov 08 Dec 19 1.01pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'd agree with a root and branch discussion on moving political representation into the modern day but I don't believe that PR is necessarily the system for that......Personally I'd push politics away from the elite political class and have the major decisions more like the Swiss system. The Swiss vote in referendums up to four times a year. They vote on around 15 federal proposals and also cast their ballot on issues affecting individual districts at the same time......Far more democratic and less elitist. I'd reform the House of Lords, I wouldn't abolish it. I would certainly not allow it to be elected though....that's makes it even more political than it already is. I want a House of Commons full of people with nothing but contempt for politics and political parties. I'd want only those who were highly intelligent and independent whose only concern was the national interest......admittedly a high bar. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 12.52pm) A lot in that. Always thought that one solution to an on going would be to effectively make the NHS the Royal Health Service. Have a reformed House of Lords, with members selected on merit from a variety of disciplines heading it up. Perhaps have a specific tax to fund it with people able to vote on that level. Take the institution out of politics. But it is clear that major reform is required. Perhaps Farage has hit upon something that could resonate once this clusterf*** of Brexit is done and dusted. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

08 Dec 19 1.01pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'd agree with a root and branch discussion on moving political representation into the modern day but I don't believe that PR is necessarily the system for that......Personally I'd push politics away from the elite political class and have the major decisions more like the Swiss system.

The Swiss vote in referendums up to four times a year. They vote on around 15 federal proposals and also cast their ballot on issues affecting individual districts at the same time......Far more democratic and less elitist.

I'd reform the House of Lords, I wouldn't abolish it. I would certainly not allow it to be elected though....that's makes it even more political than it already is.

I want a House of Commons full of people with nothing but contempt for politics and political parties. I'd want only those who were highly intelligent and independent whose only concern was the national interest......admittedly a high bar.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 12.52pm)

A lot in that. Always thought that one solution to an on going would be to effectively make the NHS the Royal Health Service. Have a reformed House of Lords, with members selected on merit from a variety of disciplines heading it up. Perhaps have a specific tax to fund it with people able to vote on that level. Take the institution out of politics.

But it is clear that major reform is required. Perhaps Farage has hit upon something that could resonate once this clusterf*** of Brexit is done and dusted.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 19 1.13pm
Originally posted by Matov A lot in that. Always thought that one solution to an on going would be to effectively make the NHS the Royal Health Service. Have a reformed House of Lords, with members selected on merit from a variety of disciplines heading it up. Perhaps have a specific tax to fund it with people able to vote on that level. Take the institution out of politics. But it is clear that major reform is required. Perhaps Farage has hit upon something that could resonate once this clusterf*** of Brexit is done and dusted. Yep, there is an increasing recognition that what we have isn't as democratic and merit based as it could be. I view Farage as a tarnished legend. He's the core of how Brexit happened and he's always have my thanks for that. That said, I didn't like what happened with Ukip and the dishonesty over it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 19 1.13pm

Originally posted by Matov

But it is clear that major reform is required. Perhaps Farage has hit upon something that could resonate once this clusterf*** of Brexit is done and dusted.

Yep, there is an increasing recognition that what we have isn't as democratic and merit based as it could be.

I view Farage as a tarnished legend. He's the core of how Brexit happened and he's always have my thanks for that. That said, I didn't like what happened with Ukip and the dishonesty over it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Dec 19 2.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'd agree with a root and branch discussion on moving political representation into the modern day but I don't believe that PR is necessarily the system for that......Personally I'd push politics away from the elite political class and have the major decisions more like the Swiss system. The Swiss vote in referendums up to four times a year. They vote on around 15 federal proposals and also cast their ballot on issues affecting individual districts at the same time......Far more democratic and less elitist. I'd reform the House of Lords, I wouldn't abolish it. I would certainly not allow it to be elected though....that's makes it even more political than it already is. I want a House of Lords or even Commons full of people with nothing but contempt for politics and political parties. I'd want only those who were highly intelligent and independent whose only concern was the national interest......admittedly a high bar. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 1.02pm) ***Wisbech quietly seething with rage somewhere in the darks of deepest Cornwall*** Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Dec 19 2.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Swiss vote in referendums up to four times a year. They vote on around 15 federal proposals and also cast their ballot on issues affecting individual districts at the same time......Far more democratic and less elitist.

I'd reform the House of Lords, I wouldn't abolish it. I would certainly not allow it to be elected though....that's makes it even more political than it already is.

I want a House of Lords or even Commons full of people with nothing but contempt for politics and political parties. I'd want only those who were highly intelligent and independent whose only concern was the national interest......admittedly a high bar.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 1.02pm)

*****Wisbech quietly seething with rage somewhere in the darks of deepest Cornwall*****

Pro USA & Israel

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 19 4.22pm
Originally posted by Jimenez ***Wisbech quietly seething with rage somewhere in the darks of deepest Cornwall*** Lets hope he splutters on an early mince pie. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 19 4.22pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

*****Wisbech quietly seething with rage somewhere in the darks of deepest Cornwall*****

Lets hope he splutters on an early mince pie.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

silvertop Portishead 08 Dec 19 5.22pm
Originally posted by gerry theagle What else would they expect. I'm a "floating voter" and watched the Johnson /Corbyn head to head last night, what really got on my nerves was Bojos constant use of "get Brexit done". He actually said it 12 or 13 times,I think that he thinks we are all stupid.So my vote is still up tor grabs but probably not Conservative. You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the British voter. To you me and anyone with an IQ higher than a blow fish this phrase does nothing but irritate and may even put you off voting con even if you are a leaver. However this phrase is actually attracting voters to the Tories! A sad reflection.

silvertop

Portishead 08 Dec 19 5.22pm

Originally posted by gerry theagle

What else would they expect. I'm a "floating voter" and watched the Johnson /Corbyn head to head last night, what really got on my nerves was Bojos constant use of "get Brexit done". He actually said it 12 or 13 times,I think that he thinks we are all stupid.So my vote is still up tor grabs but probably not Conservative.

You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the British voter. To you me and anyone with an IQ higher than a blow fish this phrase does nothing but irritate and may even put you off voting con even if you are a leaver. However this phrase is actually attracting voters to the Tories!

A sad reflection.

Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 19 5.49pm
Originally posted by silvertop You grossly overestimate the intelligence of the British voter. To you me and anyone with an IQ higher than a blow fish this phrase does nothing but irritate and may even put you off voting con even if you are a leaver. However this phrase is actually attracting voters to the Tories! A sad reflection. Or could it be that people just want what we voted for in the referendum? What is sad is the Remainers, dumb arse Lefties and other assorted numpties who which to abuse the situation.

Hrolf The Ganger

08 Dec 19 5.49pm

Originally posted by silvertop

A sad reflection.

Or could it be that people just want what we voted for in the referendum?

What is sad is the Remainers, dumb arse Lefties and other assorted numpties who which to abuse the situation.

Matov 08 Dec 19 6.56pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Or could it be that people just want what we voted for in the referendum? Quite. Parliament asked us to vote on a simple question. Leave or Remain. And promised to honour the outcome. Leave won. And people expect that to happen. Angry because it has not happened already. This is not rocket science. I know that the Remain Retards like to preen themselves and tell us all they are the smartest people in the room but there comes a point when you have to seriously question not only their POV but their reasoning in the first place. Thick R2 f***tards. Only way to describe them. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

08 Dec 19 6.56pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Or could it be that people just want what we voted for in the referendum?

Quite. Parliament asked us to vote on a simple question. Leave or Remain. And promised to honour the outcome. Leave won. And people expect that to happen. Angry because it has not happened already. This is not rocket science. I know that the Remain Retards like to preen themselves and tell us all they are the smartest people in the room but there comes a point when you have to seriously question not only their POV but their reasoning in the first place.

Thick R2 f***tards. Only way to describe them.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

chris123 hove actually 08 Dec 19 7.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I agree about message fatigue. However personally I don't see the sense in voting for any other than Tory or Labour in a GE. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Dec 2019 11.48am) If you want to leave and don't want another referendum - I'm not sure why the Tories aren't 52% in the polls.

chris123

hove actually 08 Dec 19 7.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I agree about message fatigue.

However personally I don't see the sense in voting for any other than Tory or Labour in a GE.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Dec 2019 11.48am)

If you want to leave and don't want another referendum - I'm not sure why the Tories aren't 52% in the polls.

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 19 7.24pm
Originally posted by chris123 If you want to leave and don't want another referendum - I'm not sure why the Tories aren't 52% in the polls. I suppose that's because Labour voters who don't like the EU and voted leave dislike the Tories even more. And as Labour's voters are majority remain they have to suck it.....or not vote Labour. There are a hell of a lot of white working class northern Labour voters who are only just beginning to realise that today's Labour aren't really about them and are far more about pleasing the 'Owen Jones' types....which is their grass roots. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 19 7.24pm

Originally posted by chris123

If you want to leave and don't want another referendum - I'm not sure why the Tories aren't 52% in the polls.

I suppose that's because Labour voters who don't like the EU and voted leave dislike the Tories even more.

And as Labour's voters are majority remain they have to suck it.....or not vote Labour.

There are a hell of a lot of white working class northern Labour voters who are only just beginning to realise that today's Labour aren't really about them and are far more about pleasing the 'Owen Jones' types....which is their grass roots.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 19 7.29pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I suppose that's because Labour voters who don't like the EU and voted leave dislike the Tories even more. And as Labour's voters are majority remain they have to suck it.....or not vote Labour. There are a hell of a lot of white working class northern Labour voters who are only just beginning to realise that today's Labour aren't really about them and are far more about pleasing the 'Owen Jones' types....which is their grass roots. Perhaps he’s against them for forcing him out in a Smalltown Boy way. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 19 7.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I suppose that's because Labour voters who don't like the EU and voted leave dislike the Tories even more.

And as Labour's voters are majority remain they have to suck it.....or not vote Labour.

Perhaps he’s against them for forcing him out in a Smalltown Boy way.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 19 7.39pm
Just seen the repeat of Andrew Marr and labour mp Gloria De Piero (fit) picked out a piece in the papers saying if defeated, Corbyn will step down on Friday, McDonnell takes over and promotes his female protege into shadow chancellor. Is that the annoying, soft and squeaky dumpy lesbian? Maybe they want to completely destroy their own party. Oh it’s take the reigns until they find someone outside of WC1 who has the attraction factor more than these thieving jokers who couldn’t run a car if they had to, let alone a country or government or cabinet. It’s a very boring election. Debates are uneventful. Messages ware predictable and unbelievable (unrealistic), and nobody could give a fook go talk about it either. Everyone really has bad enough so conservative and leave the eu it is, as long as the weather isn’t really bad and we may have a problem. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 19 7.39pm

Just seen the repeat of Andrew Marr and labour mp Gloria De Piero (fit) picked out a piece in the papers saying if defeated, Corbyn will step down on Friday, McDonnell takes over and promotes his female protege into shadow chancellor. Is that the annoying, soft and squeaky dumpy lesbian? Maybe they want to completely destroy their own party. Oh it’s take the reigns until they find someone outside of WC1 who has the attraction factor more than these thieving jokers who couldn’t run a car if they had to, let alone a country or government or cabinet.

It’s a very boring election. Debates are uneventful. Messages ware predictable and unbelievable (unrealistic), and nobody could give a fook go talk about it either. Everyone really has bad enough so conservative and leave the eu it is, as long as the weather isn’t really bad and we may have a problem.

COYP

Wilesy01 Bristol 08 Dec 19 7.51pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Just seen the repeat of Andrew Marr and labour mp Gloria De Piero (fit) picked out a piece in the papers saying if defeated, Corbyn will step down on Friday, McDonnell takes over and promotes his female protege into shadow chancellor. Is that the annoying, soft and squeaky dumpy lesbian? Is the misogyny or homophobic abuse really necessary?

Wilesy01

Bristol 08 Dec 19 7.51pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Is the misogyny or homophobic abuse really necessary?

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 19 7.54pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Is the misogyny or homophobic abuse really necessary? Is it snowing outside already? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 19 7.54pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Is the misogyny or homophobic abuse really necessary?

Is it snowing outside already?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 19 7.59pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Is the misogyny or homophobic abuse really necessary? If you think that’s abuse then you’ve been very sheltered, darling. And gays are far mor bitchy than that, because they’re human beings with faults as well you berk. If it’s who I think it is she’s an annoying nobody who nobody will take notice of. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Dec 2019 8.01pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 19 7.59pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Is the misogyny or homophobic abuse really necessary?

If you think that’s abuse then you’ve been very sheltered, darling. And gays are far mor bitchy than that, because they’re human beings with faults as well you berk.

If it’s who I think it is she’s an annoying nobody who nobody will take notice of.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Dec 2019 8.01pm)

COYP

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 19 8.03pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Just seen the repeat of Andrew Marr and labour mp Gloria De Piero (fit) picked out a piece in the papers saying if defeated, Corbyn will step down on Friday, McDonnell takes over and promotes his female protege into shadow chancellor. Is that the annoying, soft and squeaky dumpy lesbian? Maybe they want to completely destroy their own party. Oh it’s take the reigns until they find someone outside of WC1 who has the attraction factor more than these thieving jokers who couldn’t run a car if they had to, let alone a country or government or cabinet. It’s a very boring election. Debates are uneventful. Messages ware predictable and unbelievable (unrealistic), and nobody could give a fook go talk about it either. Everyone really has bad enough so conservative and leave the eu it is, as long as the weather isn’t really bad and we may have a problem. In terms of the Labour Marxist thing.....I'm kind of in two minds about it. In one sense, I'm glad the era of centralists is over. The New Labour party were Conservative-lite and little else....They used that guise to introduce some of the worse disastrous policies ever visited upon the country...such as increasing immigration from fifty odd thousand a year to three hundred thousand....and giving all the union countries their own parliament, ensuring the union's eventual break up. So at least this version of the Labour party is genuinely left wing.....if far more left wing than anyone expected....Not Mr Foot like the seventies and early eighties but actual Marxists who had gone against the British state in favour of foreign states pretty much every time. Still, at least a Corbyn government wouldn't be boring....like May's was......God, I'm glad that 'blue rinser' Vicar's daughter is gone. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 8.04pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 19 8.03pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

In terms of the Labour Marxist thing.....I'm kind of in two minds about it.

In one sense, I'm glad the era of centralists is over. The New Labour party were Conservative-lite and little else....They used that guise to introduce some of the worse disastrous policies ever visited upon the country...such as increasing immigration from fifty odd thousand a year to three hundred thousand....and giving all the union countries their own parliament, ensuring the union's eventual break up.

So at least this version of the Labour party is genuinely left wing.....if far more left wing than anyone expected....Not Mr Foot like the seventies and early eighties but actual Marxists who had gone against the British state in favour of foreign states pretty much every time.

Still, at least a Corbyn government wouldn't be boring....like May's was......God, I'm glad that 'blue rinser' Vicar's daughter is gone.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 8.04pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 19 8.08pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman If you think that’s abuse then you’ve been very sheltered, darling. And gays are far mor bitchy than that, because they’re human beings with faults as well you berk. If it’s who I think it is she’s an annoying nobody who nobody will take notice of. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Dec 2019 8.01pm) Yeah, but Rudi, if someone is homosexual or a woman you can only point that out when you're being positive and saying nice things.....So if some bird is dumpy and so on you can't also describe her sexual identity....How dare you! Remember, be a good chap and only slag off straight white working class males. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 8.10pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 19 8.08pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If you think that’s abuse then you’ve been very sheltered, darling. And gays are far mor bitchy than that, because they’re human beings with faults as well you berk.

If it’s who I think it is she’s an annoying nobody who nobody will take notice of.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Dec 2019 8.01pm)

Yeah, but Rudi, if someone is homosexual or a woman you can only point that out when you're being positive and saying nice things.....So if some bird is dumpy and so on you can't also describe her sexual identity....How dare you!

Remember, be a good chap and only slag off straight white working class males.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 8.10pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wilesy01 Bristol 08 Dec 19 8.14pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman If you think that’s abuse then you’ve been very sheltered, darling. And gays are far mor bitchy than that, because they’re human beings with faults as well you berk. If it’s who I think it is she’s an annoying nobody who nobody will take notice of. Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Dec 2019 8.01pm) Yes, calling someone a 'dumpy lesbian' is an offensive thing to say. And justifying saying it by labelling gay people as 'more bitchy' is doubling down on your own pathetic ignorance.

Wilesy01

Bristol 08 Dec 19 8.14pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If you think that’s abuse then you’ve been very sheltered, darling. And gays are far mor bitchy than that, because they’re human beings with faults as well you berk.

If it’s who I think it is she’s an annoying nobody who nobody will take notice of.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (08 Dec 2019 8.01pm)

Yes, calling someone a 'dumpy lesbian' is an offensive thing to say. And justifying saying it by labelling gay people as 'more bitchy' is doubling down on your own pathetic ignorance.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 19 8.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In terms of the Labour Marxist thing.....I'm kind of in two minds about it. In one sense, I'm glad the era of centralists is over. The New Labour party were Conservative-lite and little else....They used that guise to introduce some of the worse disastrous policies ever visited upon the country...such as increasing immigration from fifty odd thousand a year to three hundred thousand....and giving all the union countries their own parliament, ensuring the union's eventual break up. So at least this version of the Labour party is genuinely left wing.....if far more left wing than anyone expected....Not Mr Foot like the seventies and early eighties but actual Marxists who had gone against the British state in favour of foreign states pretty much every time. Still, at least a Corbyn government wouldn't be boring....like May's was......God, I'm glad that 'blue rinser' Vicar's daughter is gone. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 8.04pm) Yes I e thought similar. Blair tried to please so many and ultimately it ended up damaging so many, because we know what, chucking money at people is only temporary. The immigration decision is a scandalous disgrace. If they were building more homes when I was well aware of that problem brewing up at the same time then it would’ve gone a long way to putting my concerns away in the drawer. As it happened you could see the problem, that’s been happening now for 15 years. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 19 8.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In terms of the Labour Marxist thing.....I'm kind of in two minds about it.

Still, at least a Corbyn government wouldn't be boring....like May's was......God, I'm glad that 'blue rinser' Vicar's daughter is gone.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2019 8.04pm)

Yes I e thought similar. Blair tried to please so many and ultimately it ended up damaging so many, because we know what, chucking money at people is only temporary. The immigration decision is a scandalous disgrace. If they were building more homes when I was well aware of that problem brewing up at the same time then it would’ve gone a long way to putting my concerns away in the drawer. As it happened you could see the problem, that’s been happening now for 15 years.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 19 8.23pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Yes, calling someone a 'dumpy lesbian' is an offensive thing to say. And justifying saying it by labelling gay people as 'more bitchy' is doubling down on your own pathetic ignorance. Get a grip. The mp I’m talking about is both dumpy and a lesbian. Could I say fit lesbian? How about obese lesbian? Or fat woman who is a lesbian. Gay people can be more bitchy. Have you ever heard any get personal about each other or other people? Is Owen Jones a Palace fan now? COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 19 8.23pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Yes, calling someone a 'dumpy lesbian' is an offensive thing to say. And justifying saying it by labelling gay people as 'more bitchy' is doubling down on your own pathetic ignorance.

Get a grip. The mp I’m talking about is both dumpy and a lesbian. Could I say fit lesbian? How about obese lesbian? Or fat woman who is a lesbian.

Gay people can be more bitchy. Have you ever heard any get personal about each other or other people?

Is Owen Jones a Palace fan now?

COYP

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 19 8.26pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 Yes, calling someone a 'dumpy lesbian' is an offensive thing to say. And justifying saying it by labelling gay people as 'more bitchy' is doubling down on your own pathetic ignorance. Suck it up snowflake. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 19 8.26pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

Yes, calling someone a 'dumpy lesbian' is an offensive thing to say. And justifying saying it by labelling gay people as 'more bitchy' is doubling down on your own pathetic ignorance.

Suck it up snowflake.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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