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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 21 10.14am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The truth is that you pick and choose what to consider as genuine evidence based on whether it fits your agenda. Meanwhile we are putting up a statue in honour of a terrorist, racist, incitor of murder and your dissembling can't hide that fact. Edited by georgenorman (13 Jul 2021 9.17am) BS. I regard anything for which there is evidence as trustworthy, whether I like the conclusion or not. The same rule applies to evidence free assertions, or claims from potentially compromised sources, which I don't trust. I make no judgements on this guy. I just say we don't really know because we have no way of knowing. He might be all the things you say he is. But it is also quite possible that he isn't. Whether we should raise a statue to him is a completely separate matter. My own view is that it is inappropriate, but not because of your claims.
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| georgenorman 13 Jul 21 10.37am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
BS. I regard anything for which there is evidence as trustworthy, whether I like the conclusion or not. The same rule applies to evidence free assertions, or claims from potentially compromised sources, which I don't trust. I make no judgements on this guy. I just say we don't really know because we have no way of knowing. He might be all the things you say he is. But it is also quite possible that he isn't. Whether we should raise a statue to him is a completely separate matter. My own view is that it is inappropriate, but not because of your claims. What is this BS that you keep putting, 'biased scepticism'?
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| Matov 13 Jul 21 11.08am |
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All in favour of this statue going up. Will stimulate this debate on a national level. And allow white people to see what the future holds for them with the likes of Khan in a position of power. All for the good.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Jul 21 11.42am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
BS. I regard anything for which there is evidence as trustworthy, whether I like the conclusion or not. The same rule applies to evidence free assertions, or claims from potentially compromised sources, which I don't trust. I make no judgements on this guy. I just say we don't really know because we have no way of knowing. He might be all the things you say he is. But it is also quite possible that he isn't. Whether we should raise a statue to him is a completely separate matter. My own view is that it is inappropriate, but not because of your claims. Why do you pick this particular thread to question evidence when you beleive everything bad about trump even though lots of it comes from a bias source.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 21 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
What is this BS that you keep putting, 'biased scepticism'? You don't need me to tell you what bs is! You are an expert. Putting up a statue to someone who has no direct connection to us, when there are many other candidates whose contributions to our country have established merit, seems strange. If he deserves to be recognised, and I pass no comment on that, then it would be appropriate in his home country
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 21 12.12pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why do you pick this particular thread to question evidence when you beleive everything bad about trump even though lots of it comes from a bias source. You don't need any evidence other than that which came, and continues to come, from Trump himself to reach a conclusion. Anything else was just confirmation. The biggest biased source was always Trump. Nothing else came near.
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| georgenorman 13 Jul 21 12.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't need me to tell you what bs is! You are an expert. Putting up a statue to someone who has no direct connection to us, when there are many other candidates whose contributions to our country have established merit, seems strange. If he deserves to be recognised, and I pass no comment on that, then it would be appropriate in his home country Opinion seems to be divided. You don't think that it is inappropriate to erect a statue in honour of someone because he was, beyond reasonable doubt, a racist, terrorist and instigator of murder - and the rest of the world does think it inappropriate.
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Teddy Eagle  13 Jul 21 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't need me to tell you what bs is! You are an expert. Putting up a statue to someone who has no direct connection to us, when there are many other candidates whose contributions to our country have established merit, seems strange. If he deserves to be recognised, and I pass no comment on that, then it would be appropriate in his home country That’s fair enough. It’s moot anyway because this is happening regardless.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 13 Jul 21 12.44pm |
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if Nelson Mandela gets a statue, then we should also furnish Trafalgar Square with a statue of Gerry Adams. just for the sake of Balance.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 21 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Opinion seems to be divided. You don't think that it is inappropriate to erect a statue in honour of someone because he was, beyond reasonable doubt, a racist, terrorist and instigator of murder - and the rest of the world does think it inappropriate. Who has determined it is beyond a reasonable doubt? A colonial Court set up for the purpose is hardly reliable, is it? Anyone else?
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| georgenorman 13 Jul 21 2.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who has determined it is beyond a reasonable doubt? A colonial Court set up for the purpose is hardly reliable, is it? Anyone else? The Nyasaland Rising Commission of Inquiry, 1915, 62 witnesses. There is no reason to suppose that it is unreliable apart from your prejudice.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jul 21 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The Nyasaland Rising Commission of Inquiry, 1915, 62 witnesses. There is no reason to suppose that it is unreliable apart from your prejudice. There is every reason to suspect it was unreliable, if those witnesses were cherry-picked, as I strongly suspect they were. How many came from the uprising side of the argument, and how many from the controlling ethnic group? This was Empire. You didn't find fault with those who ran it, as that would defeat its credibility and encourage rebellion. You backed those you put in charge. Prejudice? You are demonstrating it in spades by failing to understand the context of the event.
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