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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jul 21 10.02pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It is, and I gave a very clear answer pages ago, although I made no reference to the "anti-British" assertion. Was he really "anti-British" or simply protecting his people?

I have no idea if he was specifically anti British but erecting his statue would be.
It is a clear effort to undermine our history whether he or we were in the right or not.
This is all about the state of Britain today and not history. Anyone who fails to recognise that is deluded.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

On the one hand you dismiss evidence from people that you consider ‘Uncle Toms’ and those that you think are part of some elite or other. On the other hand you would be happy to accept evidence from those who engaged in the atrocities – as if they were likely to say “It’s a fair cop govnr’ I chopped ‘is ‘ead off”. In any case most of the insurgents were killed in gun-fights when troops and police were used to put down the uprising – Chilembwe when trying to flee the country.
Chilembwe clearly incited racially aggravated murder with his orders to his men to kill European men. He specifically ordered that Livingstone be beheaded and his head brought to him. Mrs Livingstone was understandably traumatised by being forced with her children to watch her husband being beheaded by an axe – you of course will dismiss her as a liar.
Clearly he was a terrorist whether or not he was acting for the ‘oppressed’. Is such barbarity justified because you are living under a regime that you disapprove of? I expect many Africans would look back to colonial days as a golden age compared to most of the regimes they are oppressed by now.

I am not dismissing ANY evidence. ALL I am saying is when one viewpoint is silent, then a balanced perspective is impossible. It's not as difficult to comprehend as you appear to find it.

Everything else you assert is hearsay at best, and very possibly deliberately constructed to paint the picture the authorities wanted painted, so they could get the resources they believed were needed to maintain their positions.

Using words like "clearly", "specifically" and "undoubtably" when what actually went on, how and why, is shrouded in the mists of time and compromised by a tainted enquiry, is merely demonstrating your willingness to accept things at face value. Those who swallow spoon-fed propaganda are never going to be able to make objective judgements. You would make a rotten juror!

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I have no idea if he was specifically anti British but erecting his statue would be.
It is a clear effort to undermine our history whether he or we were in the right or not.
This is all about the state of Britain today and not history. Anyone who fails to recognise that is deluded.

Try reading my original response to this. It might surprise you.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not dismissing ANY evidence. ALL I am saying is when one viewpoint is silent, then a balanced perspective is impossible. It's not as difficult to comprehend as you appear to find it.

Everything else you assert is hearsay at best, and very possibly deliberately constructed to paint the picture the authorities wanted painted, so they could get the resources they believed were needed to maintain their positions.

Using words like "clearly", "specifically" and "undoubtably" when what actually went on, how and why, is shrouded in the mists of time and compromised by a tainted enquiry, is merely demonstrating your willingness to accept things at face value. Those who swallow spoon-fed propaganda are never going to be able to make objective judgements. You would make a rotten juror!

You are seriously suggesting that your viewpoint is ‘balanced’!
Everything you assert is clearly, specifically and undoubtedly to mitigate the actions of the terrorist, racist, incitor of murder, Chilembwe.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Try reading my original response to this. It might surprise you.

I did. It did not say whether you were in favour or not.
It was some mealy mouthed crap about creating debate.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

You are seriously suggesting that your viewpoint is ‘balanced’!
Everything you assert is clearly, specifically and undoubtedly to mitigate the actions of the terrorist, racist, incitor of murder, Chilembwe.

Yes, it's balanced as it seeks to see things in their context and recognises that not everything that others say is actually true. I am not mitigating anything, as from my perspective, nothing has been established that requires mitigation. Mitigation occurs after a fact has been established, and not before.

You on the other hand take what has been reported at face value. I bet you are the type who believes everything that is "reported" in the Mail and the Sun!

I am done with this. If you don't understand by now, you never will.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I did. It did not say whether you were in favour or not.
It was some mealy mouthed crap about creating debate.

Try again. It's there.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Try again. It's there.

You have written plenty on this subject and the majority of it appears to be you excusing away the murder of British subjects.
I think I will draw my conclusions from that.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Yes, it's balanced as it seeks to see things in their context and recognises that not everything that others say is actually true. I am not mitigating anything, as from my perspective, nothing has been established that requires mitigation. Mitigation occurs after a fact has been established, and not before.

You on the other hand take what has been reported at face value. I bet you are the type who believes everything that is "reported" in the Mail and the Sun!

I am done with this. If you don't understand by now, you never will.

More dissembling. As Orwell once said: "In our time political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible."

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You have written plenty on this subject and the majority of it appears to be you excusing away the murder of British subjects.
I think I will draw my conclusions from that.

You asked me to give a clear answer on whether I supported, or not, the erection of this statue. I have already done so. You can find it, if you really want to.

You trying to throw mud with ridiculous suggestions that I have "excused murder" is just another of your diversions. I have done no such thing, and the long explanations on why historical accounts need to be treated with scepticism are unconnected to the merits of any statue.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You asked me to give a clear answer on whether I supported, or not, the erection of this statue. I have already done so. You can find it, if you really want to.

You trying to throw mud with ridiculous suggestions that I have "excused murder" is just another of your diversions. I have done no such thing, and the long explanations on why historical accounts need to be treated with scepticism are unconnected to the merits of any statue.

Go on, just tell us where you stand again so we don't have to search for it twenty pages back.

Are you in favour of the anti British statue or not?

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Go on, just tell us where you stand again so we don't have to search for it twenty pages back.

Are you in favour of the anti British statue or not?

I cannot imagine you accepting having to answer twice, and would doubtless tell me to do my own work! There are only 12 pages to look through!

Whether a statue of this guy is "anti-British" is another matter on which I make no comment. What I said was:-

"Putting up a statue to someone who has no direct connection to us, when there are many other candidates whose contributions to our country have established merit, seems strange.

If he deserves to be recognised, and I pass no comment on that, then it would be appropriate in his home country".

 


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