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 Stirlingsays  17 Aug 21 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
It could head that way if people are not careful or do not see measures as temporary. Rowing back what has been put in place may be the next big political movement. The creeping prospect of a 'cashless society' brought on by increased card usage is also something to keep an eye on, as that brings with it lots of potential negatives too. Agreed. Corporations and the state will always push for ever increasing power and control. Payment control is another form of that. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 12.14pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 17 Aug 21 12.14pm |
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NZ in lockdown as they found 1 case.
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| BlueJay UK 17 Aug 21 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
NZ in lockdown as they found 1 case. They're in quite the situation. Granted I can definitely see the plus side of keeping it out for a time, and that life has been carrying on as normal compared to elsewhere. They're just delaying the inevitable though, and really needed to ramp up their vaccination campaign massively then open up (at which point it will still be seem as a negatively publicly and politically as inevitably there will be a fair few deaths). Full vaccination is at 20% I believe. To be honest as that's likely the most vulnerable they should probably open up now anyway, but clearly that won't be happening.
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Aug 21 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
They're in quite the situation. Granted I can definitely see the plus side of keeping it out for a time, and that life has been carrying on as normal compared to elsewhere. They're just delaying the inevitable though, and really needed to ramp up their vaccination campaign massively then open up (at which point it will still be seem as a negatively publicly and politically as inevitably there will be a fair few deaths). Full vaccination is at 20% I believe. To be honest as that's likely the most vulnerable they should probably open up now anyway, but clearly that won't be happening. Australia is the same. Put the fear of Christ up everyone about the vaccine then wonder why people haven't had it. Maybe those governments are the ones who want control. Ours look like flower power hippies compared to them.
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| eaglesdare 17 Aug 21 2.38pm |
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I dont understand how somone can go to a football match / concert / sit on a plane (Coffee shop or pub in ireland) who is vaccinated but is positive for covid and sit next to an unvaccinated person who has just tested negative for covid! Should be negative testing for everyone regardless of your vaccination status or none at all Edited by eaglesdare (17 Aug 2021 2.39pm)
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| Eden Eagle Kent 17 Aug 21 8.03pm |
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So it is clear that being “double jabbed” is no longer the same as “fully vaccinated” and that you will need your “boosters” to validate your vaccine pass - at what point will you say enough is enough or are you happy to take injections year after year?
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| cryrst The garden of England 17 Aug 21 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
So it is clear that being “double jabbed” is no longer the same as “fully vaccinated” and that you will need your “boosters” to validate your vaccine pass - at what point will you say enough is enough or are you happy to take injections year after year? I have a flu jab every year. Is this more of a burden and I would bet that some will have a flu jab and not C19. Do you not find that a bit strange in itself?
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| Stirlingsays 17 Aug 21 8.37pm |
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If I completely ignore any suspicions I have then if covid follows the flu pattern it will weaken over time and essentially become similar to flu, if more transmissible. Again, ignoring my suspicions then I predict that the vulnerable and fifty plus will probably take vaccination boosters each year but that the under fifties in good health won't in the same numbers as treatments should get increasingly better. That choice is if our overlords allow people to make their own decisions about what goes into their bodies......and at the moment I've been very dismayed over what I've seen a conservative....supposedly libertarian PM do.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 17 Aug 21 9.02pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I have a flu jab every year. Is this more of a burden and I would bet that some will have a flu jab and not C19. Do you not find that a bit strange in itself? The burden may not just be the minor bureaucracy of having a booster jab, but also the potential restrictions on employment and travel etc of not having the booster.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Aug 21 9.38pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Agreed. Corporations and the state will always push for ever increasing power and control. Payment control is another form of that. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2021 12.14pm) Plus, my dealer's not going to be happy.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Aug 21 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Plus, my dealer's not going to be happy. I'm sure you can hash something out.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Aug 21 8.13pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I dont understand how somone can go to a football match / concert / sit on a plane (Coffee shop or pub in ireland) who is vaccinated but is positive for covid and sit next to an unvaccinated person who has just tested negative for covid! Should be negative testing for everyone regardless of your vaccination status or none at all Edited by eaglesdare (17 Aug 2021 2.39pm) I just keep 9 euro in my back pocket, therefore completely immune.
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