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 Stirlingsays  21 Aug 21 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Not sure I’ve ever known someone to be quite so selective with the stats that they use to back up their arguments. Well, I don't mean to be. Opinion is opinion but in the interests of truth, if I make a factual statement that isn't objectively true (and mistakes happen), then I have no objection to it being honestly countered. Accuracy is more important than ego. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Aug 2021 12.52pm)
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BlueJay  UK 21 Aug 21 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's largely fair comment. Personally, while I don't support a default anti vaccine mindset I don't really regard not taking this vaccine as a bad choice in his position. He doesn't want to play into the group think amid suspicions and now he has better anti bodies. I can respect that independence (while reserving my own)....with the vulnerable largely vaccinated it's kind of small fry (though I would have still supported the choice). Perhaps I over stated criticism here. Of course you have a full right to comment and criticise, even mock. I do the same regularly. I suppose I just support his right to do what he wants. And of course I'm biased....'I'm too sexy' and 'Deeply Dippy' were really good songs.
Yes certainly, his decisions are ultimately down to him. Perhaps that's the real shocker. That they have somehow created music that was seen as a bit cheesy at the time, but has somehow stood the test of time even today!
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| Stirlingsays 21 Aug 21 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes certainly, his decisions are ultimately down to him. Perhaps that's the real shocker. That they have somehow created music that was seen as a bit cheesy at the time, but has somehow stood the test of time even today! Indeed. We need more cheesey music.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Aug 21 6.15pm |
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Interesting, if not particularly welcome news.
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| BlueJay UK 23 Aug 21 7.29pm |
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I would say that this almost certainly is meant to mean that there is an increased risk to those vaccinated early (when compared to those vaccinated more recently, due to waning antibodies over time - something we know to be true). Just adding this as the accompanying video title is clearly attempting to claim that there is an increased risk in those vaccinated early when compared to those who have not been vaccinated. Rationally that would appear to have no basis in reality and I'm aware of no science that backs it up. The video as posted and described (by whoever posted it, not you) would appear to be misleading anti vax propaganda.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Aug 21 7.29pm |
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UK orders 35 million more Pfizer vaccine doses [Link] ‘The UK has ordered 35 million more doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which will be delivered in the second half of 2022.’ Every 6 months then.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Aug 21 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
UK orders 35 million more Pfizer vaccine doses [Link] ‘The UK has ordered 35 million more doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which will be delivered in the second half of 2022.’ Every 6 months then. It's an evolving situation. A proper analysis probably won't be fully valid until there's a couple of years data. I suppose it's just wise to be aware of all the positions and then be able to weigh it up and being responsible for that. People want certainty and no risk lives, but in my view, that leaves them open to unwise, if understandable pathways.
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| BlueJay UK 23 Aug 21 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
UK orders 35 million more Pfizer vaccine doses [Link] ‘The UK has ordered 35 million more doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which will be delivered in the second half of 2022.’ Every 6 months then. Interestingly it appears that AZ keeps antibody levels relatively high and stable at a point where Pfizer looks to be tailing off. That's what the early data appears to show anyway, it no doubt may not be nailed on as fact. With that in mind maybe the above may not be the best 'bang for your buck' purchase going. Personally I think the take home where antibody levels are decent and tail off over time is even for the elderly to just get on as normal now. Better in my view to be routinely exposed to the virus and get a mild case of it while antibody protection is significant (which itself would convey a significant 'boost', and broader protection than the vaccine), than to spend a life being ultra cautious, lose significant vaccine protection against it over time then catch it.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Aug 21 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Interestingly it appears that AZ keeps antibody levels relatively high and stable at a point where Pfizer looks to be tailing off. That's what the early data appears to show anyway, it no doubt may not be nailed on as fact. With that in mind maybe the above may not be the best 'bang for your buck' purchase going. Personally I think the take home where antibody levels are decent and tail off over time is even for the elderly to just get on as normal now. Better in my view to be routinely exposed to the virus and get a mild case of it while antibody protection is significant (which itself would convey a significant 'boost', and broader protection than the vaccine), than to spend a life being ultra cautious, lose significant vaccine protection against it over time then catch it.
Sounds sensible to me. Though for the ill and vulnerable....well, in fact anyone who's had a jab, let's just hope that these vaccines are improved and made more effective as they go along. Mind you I write that being fully aware that many of us will have to resist moves towards passports. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2021 7.57pm)
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| BlueJay UK 23 Aug 21 8.04pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sounds sensible to me. Though for the ill and vulnerable....well, in fact anyone who's had a jab, let's just hope that these vaccines are improved and made more effective as they go along. Mind you I write that being fully aware that many of us will have to resist moves towards passports. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Aug 2021 7.57pm) Yes, let's hope so. It's a tricky one for the elderly but hopefully a combination of vaccination and natural infection will save many lives, as it appears to have done so far. I feel for the younger crowd with auto immune issues and the like because many of them actually need a third vaccine to even get decent antibody levels. The same with many over going cancer treatment. I suppose the sad fact is that for some the world has completely changed and they will have to live with these additional threats to their health on an ongoing basis. Maybe a key lesson as an individual to take, from a health point of view, is to stay as fit and healthy as possible because you never quite know when a spanner is going to fly into the works, or what comes next.
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grumpymort  US/Thailand/UK 23 Aug 21 9.08pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I would say that this almost certainly is meant to mean that there is an increased risk to those vaccinated early (when compared to those vaccinated more recently, due to waning antibodies over time - something we know to be true). Just adding this as the accompanying video title is clearly attempting to claim that there is an increased risk in those vaccinated early when compared to those who have not been vaccinated. Rationally that would appear to have no basis in reality and I'm aware of no science that backs it up. The video as posted and described (by whoever posted it, not you) would appear to be misleading anti vax propaganda.
If the vaccine had done its job correctly people should be protected for years if not decades if the virus stays as it is or only has slight variants which may drop the efficiency. (which they lied about anyway) Before some one states but flu vaccine is required every year yes because it is mutations not just variants not the samething something the media etc fail to explain to people. The issue with anti vax is it is only the extreme cases which are ever highlighted (the media always show this off) their is a lot of people who are informing people on the truth and what the science shows they are branded as anti vax. No one is putting out the real message that people should be trying to get healthy this can be done by each person through lifestyle/diet changes. It's always about lets load up people with more drugs let them continue to be the cause of their own ill health. Even now still no big push for vitamin D it really is shocking. Edited by grumpymort (23 Aug 2021 9.10pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Aug 21 9.28pm |
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Originally posted by grumpymort
If the vaccine had done its job correctly people should be protected for years if not decades if the virus stays as it is or only has slight variants which may drop the efficiency. (which they lied about anyway) Before some one states but flu vaccine is required every year yes because it is mutations not just variants not the samething something the media etc fail to explain to people. The issue with anti vax is it is only the extreme cases which are ever highlighted (the media always show this off) their is a lot of people who are informing people on the truth and what the science shows they are branded as anti vax. No one is putting out the real message that people should be trying to get healthy this can be done by each person through lifestyle/diet changes. It's always about lets load up people with more drugs let them continue to be the cause of their own ill health. Even now still no big push for vitamin D it really is shocking. Edited by grumpymort (23 Aug 2021 9.10pm) This is true. Many have made no effort in 17 months to get healthy and leaner. Just throw their hands up in the air and rely on the health service or blame or expect others to ‘keep them safe’ when they could’ve at least reduced several inches on their waistline rather than looking like they struggle to get through the door of the pub or supermarket.
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