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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jul 22 2.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays 300,000 people stopped paying the BBC TV licence fee last year. At some point (not yet) it will reach tipping point when everybody thinks why should I my neighbours don't. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 18 Jul 22 2.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

300,000 people stopped paying the BBC TV licence fee last year.

At some point (not yet) it will reach tipping point when everybody thinks why should I my neighbours don't.

One more point

W12 18 Jul 22 2.13pm
Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make.

W12 18 Jul 22 2.13pm

Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make.

CrazyBadger Ware 18 Jul 22 2.21pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 The current temperatures aren't normal for this time of year in the UK, are they? Nor are the temperatures in many other places in Europe/across the world at the moment. Can you just admit you've gone off the end of the pier with climate denial conspiracies and have done with it? define normal? Averages Average out! we've had cold years, and hot years. Interesting article from The Guardian with a timeline of heatwaves since 1911.. It's not actually uncommon for temps greater than 35 to happen every 10 years or so [Link] "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 18 Jul 22 2.21pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

The current temperatures aren't normal for this time of year in the UK, are they?

Nor are the temperatures in many other places in Europe/across the world at the moment.

Can you just admit you've gone off the end of the pier with climate denial conspiracies and have done with it?

define normal? Averages Average out! we've had cold years, and hot years.

Interesting article from The Guardian with a timeline of heatwaves since 1911.. It's not actually uncommon for temps greater than 35 to happen every 10 years or so

[Link]

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

JRW2 Dulwich 18 Jul 22 2.29pm
Originally posted by W12 Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make. Easy if you don't have a conscience.

JRW2

Dulwich 18 Jul 22 2.29pm

Originally posted by W12

Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make.

Easy if you don't have a conscience.

PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Jul 22 2.33pm
Originally posted by W12 Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make. a threatening letter is harmless. Now if the BBC forced me to watch all their shyte...i would pay the bill in a heartbeat. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 18 Jul 22 2.33pm

Originally posted by W12

Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make.

a threatening letter is harmless. Now if the BBC forced me to watch all their shyte...i would pay the bill in a heartbeat.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 18 Jul 22 2.44pm
Originally posted by JRW2 Easy if you don't have a conscience. The BBC don't give a monkeys about using outside agencies who manipulate in their letters to frighten the elderly and ignorant into paying for a license they shouldn't need. There are plenty who have to worry about feeding their kids yet an institution taking in 3.2 billion doesn't appear to have much conscience about that does it.....Yet we should for them? It should be argued that those who support the current model are living in the past divorced from how media technology has changed. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2022 2.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jul 22 2.44pm

Originally posted by JRW2

Easy if you don't have a conscience.

The BBC don't give a monkeys about using outside agencies who manipulate in their letters to frighten the elderly and ignorant into paying for a license they shouldn't need.

There are plenty who have to worry about feeding their kids yet an institution taking in 3.2 billion doesn't appear to have much conscience about that does it.....Yet we should for them?

It should be argued that those who support the current model are living in the past divorced from how media technology has changed.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2022 2.45pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 18 Jul 22 2.46pm
Originally posted by W12 Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make. The inspectors have no right to enter your house. Never let them in, if you don't watch live broadcast TV you are doing nothing wrong anyway. Just never allow them entry. Be polite, refuse to answer their questions and shut the door. They are outside agencies and they operate under commission. These are not well meaning people....like the BBC itself in my view. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2022 2.48pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jul 22 2.46pm

Originally posted by W12

Once you have worked out that's it's only backed by threatening letters it's an easy decision to make.

The inspectors have no right to enter your house. Never let them in, if you don't watch live broadcast TV you are doing nothing wrong anyway.

Just never allow them entry. Be polite, refuse to answer their questions and shut the door.

They are outside agencies and they operate under commission.

These are not well meaning people....like the BBC itself in my view.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2022 2.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 2.47pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger define normal? Averages Average out! we've had cold years, and hot years. Interesting article from The Guardian with a timeline of heatwaves since 1911.. It's not actually uncommon for temps greater than 35 to happen every 10 years or so [Link] Plus the sun has a cycle of 11 years we’re it gets more active and then calms down. This though doesn’t help the flagellation we should all be doing about actually living.

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Jul 22 2.47pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

define normal? Averages Average out! we've had cold years, and hot years.

Interesting article from The Guardian with a timeline of heatwaves since 1911.. It's not actually uncommon for temps greater than 35 to happen every 10 years or so

[Link]

Plus the sun has a cycle of 11 years we’re it gets more active and then calms down. This though doesn’t help the flagellation we should all be doing about actually living.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Jul 22 2.54pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The inspectors have no right to enter your house. Never let them in, if you don't watch live broadcast TV you are doing nothing wrong anyway. Just never allow them entry. Be polite, refuse to answer their questions and shut the door. They are outside agencies and they operate under commission. These are not well meaning people....like the BBC itself in my view. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2022 2.48pm) 100% agree with this, never let them in & never reply to their threatening letters, i live(most of the time abroad) so, i still get these letters, stopped paying their 'woke' tax a few years ago. Stream stuff nowadays(now that the grandkids showed me how). This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 18 Jul 22 2.54pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The inspectors have no right to enter your house. Never let them in, if you don't watch live broadcast TV you are doing nothing wrong anyway.

Just never allow them entry. Be polite, refuse to answer their questions and shut the door.

They are outside agencies and they operate under commission.

These are not well meaning people....like the BBC itself in my view.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2022 2.48pm)

100% agree with this, never let them in & never reply to their threatening letters, i live(most of the time abroad) so, i still get these letters, stopped paying their 'woke' tax a few years ago. Stream stuff nowadays(now that the grandkids showed me how).

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Stirlingsays 18 Jul 22 2.57pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 100% agree with this, never let them in & never reply to their threatening letters, i live(most of the time abroad) so, i still get these letters, stopped paying their 'woke' tax a few years ago. Stream stuff nowadays(now that the grandkids showed me how). I tip my hat. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jul 22 2.57pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

I tip my hat.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 2.57pm
FFS Of course every scientist is an idiot and you know best Stuff like this is merely part of the big scare story. It's a conspiracy to control us buffoons, perpetrated by all the scientists in the field (for some reason). Scientists have examined greenhouse gases in the context of the past. Analysis of air trapped inside ice that has been accumulating over time in Antarctica shows that the CO2 concentration began to increase significantly in the 19th century, after staying in the range of 260 to 280 ppm for the previous 10,000 years. Ice core records extending back 800,000 years show that during that time, CO2 concentrations remained within the range of 170 to 300 ppm throughout many “ice age” cycles and no concentration above 300 ppm is seen in ice core records until the past 200 years. Estimating global average surface air temperature increase requires careful analysis of millions of measurements from around the world, including from land stations, ships, and satellites. Despite the many complications of synthesising such data, multiple independent teams have concluded separately and unanimously that global average surface air temperature has risen by about 1 °C (1.8 °F) since 1900. Although the record shows several pauses and accelerations in the increasing trend, each of the last four decades has been warmer than any other decade in the instrumental record since 1850. Going further back in time before accurate thermometers were widely available, temperatures can be reconstructed using climate-sensitive indicators “proxies” in materials such as tree rings, ice cores, and marine sediments. Comparisons of the thermometer record with these proxy measurements suggest that the time since the early 1980s has been the warmest 40-year period in at least eight centuries, and that global temperature is rising towards peak temperatures last seen 5,000 to 10,000 years ago in the warmest part of our current interglacial period. Edited by Mapletree (18 Jul 2022 2.58pm)

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Jul 22 2.57pm

FFS

Of course every scientist is an idiot and you know best

Stuff like this is merely part of the big scare story. It's a conspiracy to control us buffoons, perpetrated by all the scientists in the field (for some reason).

Scientists have examined greenhouse gases in the context of the past. Analysis of air trapped inside ice that has been accumulating over time in Antarctica shows that the CO2 concentration began to increase significantly in the 19th century, after staying in the range of 260 to 280 ppm for the previous 10,000 years. Ice core records extending back 800,000 years show that during that time, CO2 concentrations remained within the range of 170 to 300 ppm throughout many “ice age” cycles and no concentration above 300 ppm is seen in ice core records until the past 200 years.

Estimating global average surface air temperature increase requires careful analysis of millions of measurements from around the world, including from land stations, ships, and satellites. Despite the many complications of synthesising such data, multiple independent teams have concluded separately and unanimously that global average surface air temperature has risen by about 1 °C (1.8 °F) since 1900. Although the record shows several pauses and accelerations in the increasing trend, each of the last four decades has been warmer than any other decade in the instrumental record since 1850.

Going further back in time before accurate thermometers were widely available, temperatures can be reconstructed using climate-sensitive indicators “proxies” in materials such as tree rings, ice cores, and marine sediments. Comparisons of the thermometer record with these proxy measurements suggest that the time since the early 1980s has been the warmest 40-year period in at least eight centuries, and that global temperature is rising towards peak temperatures last seen 5,000 to 10,000 years ago in the warmest part of our current interglacial period.

Edited by Mapletree (18 Jul 2022 2.58pm)

W12 18 Jul 22 3.00pm
The Fist Global Revolution A report by the council of the Club of Rome (1991) [Link] "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill"

W12 18 Jul 22 3.00pm

The Fist Global Revolution

A report by the council of the Club of Rome (1991)

[Link]

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came
up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global
warming, water shortages, famine and the like would
fit the bill"

Stirlingsays 18 Jul 22 3.07pm
I'm not someone who is heavily invested in the climate change debate for several reasons. However, what I will say is only follow the science, that doesn't follow the money. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jul 22 3.07pm

I'm not someone who is heavily invested in the climate change debate for several reasons.

However, what I will say is only follow the science, that doesn't follow the money.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 3.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm not someone who is heavily invested in the climate change debate for several reasons. However, what I will say is only follow the science, that doesn't follow the money. A 2019 review of scientific papers found the consensus on the cause of climate change to be at 100%, and a 2021 study concluded that over 99% of scientific papers agree on the human cause of climate change. Papers that disagreed with the consensus either cannot be replicated or contain errors. I suppose they are all in the pay of the conspirators.

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Jul 22 3.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm not someone who is heavily invested in the climate change debate for several reasons.

However, what I will say is only follow the science, that doesn't follow the money.

A 2019 review of scientific papers found the consensus on the cause of climate change to be at 100%, and a 2021 study concluded that over 99% of scientific papers agree on the human cause of climate change. Papers that disagreed with the consensus either cannot be replicated or contain errors.

I suppose they are all in the pay of the conspirators.

cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 4.13pm
Originally posted by Mapletree FFS Of course every scientist is an idiot and you know best Stuff like this is merely part of the big scare story. It's a conspiracy to control us buffoons, perpetrated by all the scientists in the field (for some reason). Scientists have examined greenhouse gases in the context of the past. Analysis of air trapped inside ice that has been accumulating over time in Antarctica shows that the CO2 concentration began to increase significantly in the 19th century, after staying in the range of 260 to 280 ppm for the previous 10,000 years. Ice core records extending back 800,000 years show that during that time, CO2 concentrations remained within the range of 170 to 300 ppm throughout many “ice age” cycles and no concentration above 300 ppm is seen in ice core records until the past 200 years. Estimating global average surface air temperature increase requires careful analysis of millions of measurements from around the world, including from land stations, ships, and satellites. Despite the many complications of synthesising such data, multiple independent teams have concluded separately and unanimously that global average surface air temperature has risen by about 1 °C (1.8 °F) since 1900. Although the record shows several pauses and accelerations in the increasing trend, each of the last four decades has been warmer than any other decade in the instrumental record since 1850. Going further back in time before accurate thermometers were widely available, temperatures can be reconstructed using climate-sensitive indicators “proxies” in materials such as tree rings, ice cores, and marine sediments. Comparisons of the thermometer record with these proxy measurements suggest that the time since the early 1980s has been the warmest 40-year period in at least eight centuries, and that global temperature is rising towards peak temperatures last seen 5,000 to 10,000 years ago in the warmest part of our current interglacial period. Edited by Mapletree (18 Jul 2022 2.58pm) So what are you saying? It’s not bollox !

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Jul 22 4.13pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

FFS

Of course every scientist is an idiot and you know best

Stuff like this is merely part of the big scare story. It's a conspiracy to control us buffoons, perpetrated by all the scientists in the field (for some reason).

Edited by Mapletree (18 Jul 2022 2.58pm)

So what are you saying? It’s not bollox !

PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Jul 22 4.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm not someone who is heavily invested in the climate change debate for several reasons. However, what I will say is only follow the science, that doesn't follow the money. on the one hand Scientists pursue the Truth. On the other, they pursue the salary their bosses tell them to pursue. Scientists now tell us about Climate Change. Remember the scientists paid by the tobacco or the wine-trade to lie to us ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 18 Jul 22 4.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm not someone who is heavily invested in the climate change debate for several reasons.

However, what I will say is only follow the science, that doesn't follow the money.

on the one hand Scientists pursue the Truth. On the other, they pursue the salary their bosses tell them to pursue.

Scientists now tell us about Climate Change. Remember the scientists paid by the tobacco or the wine-trade to lie to us ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 4.40pm
Originally posted by cryrst So what are you saying? It’s not bollox ! Tell you what, go for a walk tomorrow between 1pm and 4pm without any sun screen. Then report back. Or alternatively take a look at this, it's pretty pictures so nice and simple [Link] The ice caps are warming four times as fast as the rest of the planet and that REALLY matters.

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Jul 22 4.40pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So what are you saying? It’s not bollox !

Tell you what, go for a walk tomorrow between 1pm and 4pm without any sun screen. Then report back.

Or alternatively take a look at this, it's pretty pictures so nice and simple

[Link]

The ice caps are warming four times as fast as the rest of the planet and that REALLY matters.

Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 4.44pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio on the one hand Scientists pursue the Truth. On the other, they pursue the salary their bosses tell them to pursue. Scientists now tell us about Climate Change. Remember the scientists paid by the tobacco or the wine-trade to lie to us ? Are you trying to say climate change is a lie? And that all scientists have the same pay master? On another note, how would you like to buy some of my recently created and highly efficacious huile de python? Attachment: Snake-oil-1940s-advertisement-Nov-2019-1180-720-580x358.png (187.12Kb)

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Jul 22 4.44pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

on the one hand Scientists pursue the Truth. On the other, they pursue the salary their bosses tell them to pursue.

Scientists now tell us about Climate Change. Remember the scientists paid by the tobacco or the wine-trade to lie to us ?

Are you trying to say climate change is a lie? And that all scientists have the same pay master?

On another note, how would you like to buy some of my recently created and highly efficacious huile de python?

Attachment: Snake-oil-1940s-advertisement-Nov-2019-1180-720-580x358.png (187.12Kb)

Stirlingsays 18 Jul 22 4.46pm
Originally posted by Mapletree A 2019 review of scientific papers found the consensus on the cause of climate change to be at 100%, and a 2021 study concluded that over 99% of scientific papers agree on the human cause of climate change. Papers that disagreed with the consensus either cannot be replicated or contain errors. I suppose they are all in the pay of the conspirators. I'm not really weighing in on the debate. Only to say that this kind of consensus has been reached before many times in the past. My statement that objectivity can only be reached away from funding remains true. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Jul 22 4.46pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I suppose they are all in the pay of the conspirators.

I'm not really weighing in on the debate.

Only to say that this kind of consensus has been reached before many times in the past.

My statement that objectivity can only be reached away from funding remains true.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 4.51pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Tell you what, go for a walk tomorrow between 1pm and 4pm without any sun screen. Then report back. Or alternatively take a look at this, it's pretty pictures so nice and simple [Link] The ice caps are warming four times as fast as the rest of the planet and that REALLY matters. Well firstly I’m servicing some rather large boilers tomorrow so I can trump that. Secondly the ice caps reformed a few years ago much quicker than expected. What’s the problem anyway. I live on the north downs, if you want I can give you mates rates to pitch a tent in my garden !

cryrst

The garden of England 18 Jul 22 4.51pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Tell you what, go for a walk tomorrow between 1pm and 4pm without any sun screen. Then report back.

Or alternatively take a look at this, it's pretty pictures so nice and simple

[Link]

The ice caps are warming four times as fast as the rest of the planet and that REALLY matters.

Well firstly I’m servicing some rather large boilers tomorrow so I can trump that.
Secondly the ice caps reformed a few years ago much quicker than expected.
What’s the problem anyway. I live on the north downs, if you want I can give you mates rates to pitch a tent in my garden !

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