I'm a brexiteer and fully support the ERG and I am spitting feathers.
This is NOT the Brexit people voted for and the Conservative Party could well pay a price at a General Election.
Begging to Corbyn to bail her out of the mess.

Although i agree that it is frustrating that manifestos / promises before referendum seem to be withdrawn, i don`t like the idea of voting = democracy equation. I am confident with it as i see this `voting = democracy` is trendy terminology in my home country where it is far away from being a democratic country On paper, yes, it is democratic and there are elections. Enough? No.

I can also confirm that my home country lost huge portion of democratic elements just because of 2 referendums happened in last 9 years due to winners` outcome

(For the ones who wonder which country it is. Hint: It was one of the country which Brexit Campaigners was using to threaten British public and it was false alarm for sure)

There are lots of dynamics which run the democracy, including courts, media (which support all views), civil groups who are free to express themselves, political parties for minorities (i don`t mean ethnic minorities, i mean from political view perspective), freedom to criticize rulers, government etc

Actions to revert referendum or its possible results will not be a gravestone for democracy in UK, this can only be a dent (still reasonable concern for sure, i accept that). Because so far the way it progressed actually followed various of democratic steps.

- Conservatives had a promising manifesto and commitment that they will run a referendum and respect the result.
- They were cracked inside (remember the day Boris Johnson said he will support leave and Pound was crushed) and there was a row between both side `without a plan`
- Leave won.

**A break here. If there is a referendum, there should be a clear ruler & plan for the outcome. Cameron resigned and expectation was for Mr Gove and Johnson who run leave campaign to deliver the result. It was their commitment, but this didn`t happen and never a leave campaigner was on the wheel.**

- May won the Conservatives leadership. This is where deviation starts. Winners (i don`t like to name elections like footballs games but i will not be fussy) should take the lead to deliver but Conservatives didn`t want this. I`d underscore the fact that it is a bit weird that i don`t see Brexiteers targeting Brexit campaigners for betrayal? They run the campaign, should be liable to deliver but even couldn`t take the lead. Is this an excuse that they couldn`t take the lead? Sounds naive.

- Then we have Gina Miller who went to court and pushed the government for a meaningful vote. Like the result or not but this seems to be a good democratic sample that a government who has enough power in parliament had to obey to the court.

- May placed a bet for General Election and lost. Well, it seems to be another democratic step that public was `not so happy` the way Conservatives handle this situation including nominating May to deliver Brexit?

So, interestingly on paper this last 2 items seem to be main root cause of deadlock now.

What will happen next?

I can see the votes indicate that Custom Unions will be leading option as EU now needs a clear proposal for an extension.

As long as free movement concerns & free trading concerns are somehow addressed under Custom Unions umbrella, there will not (and should not be) need for a second referendum which will really make all upcoming voting process a bit funny.

Only if this roadmap has another deadlock, then that may be inevitable but it is unlikely.

Edited by blackheatheagle (02 Apr 2019 6.38pm)

Edited by blackheatheagle (02 Apr 2019 6.39pm)

The brexit people voted for was a fallacy that was never going to be achievable. People like you who pushed that message are responsible for this mess.

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

After Gove's speech basically assassinating Corbyn before MV2 (I think) she is now jumping into bed with him looking for him to lead her to the light.

On and on it goes.

She will not give up her deal, perhaps ever. MV10, MV100....on and on.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Pretty much. The great irony of all of this is that the best chance of a hard Brexit at this point is one of the 27 remaining EU nations refusing to grant an extension. The party of Brexit, who offered a vote specifically about leaving the EU, aren't even willing to do so. Rees-Mogg, Johnson and company, have proved much more capable of rallying the troops than leading them. If you believe something, you stand for it. This dithering and political positioning is partly to blame for May even being leader to begin with. I doubt don't her desire to get a deal, but she shouldn't have been in a position to lead these negotiations to begin with.

I'm feeling very angry about all this.
I pitty the politician that says it won't happen, they know what will be coming.

If anything I'd say that Corbyn is less pro EU than May, it's just that his party isn't. It's a weird time, and if anything May should've either adopted a no compromise hard Brexit position to begin with, or brought all parties into the fold to thrash something out.

I wouldn't worry too much. Labour have been in pretty much shambles since Cameron announced the referendum. They've done what British politicians do best and not committed for anything.

If they strongly backed remain we might have seen a different referendum result. If they backed leave their would have been a decisive result.

I'm not sure what he's going to do. Propping up the Tories would be unpopular with Labour voter, as would delaying brexit, forcing a second vote or a general election would be very unpopular.

The main issue with the entire Brexit process is that politicians need to commit to something. Or entire system is based on weasiling out of taking responsibility.

I wonder where he's sunning himself this week.

Meanwhile tomorrow both Houses of Parliament will probably pass a law in one day forcing Mrs May to go back to Brussels and ruling out a No Deal Brexit.

Funny it took months to pass the article 50 legislation with MPs complaining they needed more time to debate it. But when it suits them it gets done in a day.

And it does need to be properly debated. What happens if we have a law on our books saying we cannot leave without a deal meanwhile the EU has said enough you leave on April 12.

As for Mrs May getting into bed with Corbyn as other posters have said she will destroy the Tory party. A poll out tonight says 70% of Tory members want a no deal Brexit. This may not matter if you are a Labour supporter but it just shows the disconnect between the MPs and their party members.

One more point