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Midlands Eagle Flag 09 Apr 19 2.22pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I wouldn't have thought you would see any climbdown from any leavers on here

So says the person whom only this morning was talking about the small minded people on here.

Try looking in the mirror

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 09 Apr 19 2.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only in the minds of people hell bent on reversing it.

The point being made here is that Oborne is a Brexiter and a big eurosceptic

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 09 Apr 19 2.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You proved my point nicely. Thanks.

To be precise I live in a world where some people understand then admit they were wrong, like this daily mail journo.

Your argument is somewhat Faragian in that it doesn’t hold a lot of water.

That 7 minute interview basically sets out the folly of the no deal brigade.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Apr 19 2.40pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

The point being made here is that Oborne is a Brexiter and a big eurosceptic

So what?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Apr 19 2.45pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

To be precise I live in a world where some people understand then admit they were wrong, like this daily mail journo.

Your argument is somewhat Faragian in that it doesn’t hold a lot of water.

That 7 minute interview basically sets out the folly of the no deal brigade.

So one person who writes in a newspaper has a view that you jump on and that changes everything?

Do you really think that anyone is fooled by Remainer attempts at getting your own way?

There are Remainers who would now favour leaving just to defend the democratic system.
Do you want to highlight them?

 

Maine Eagle Flag USA 09 Apr 19 3.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So one person who writes in a newspaper has a view that you jump on and that changes everything?

Do you really think that anyone is fooled by Remainer attempts at getting your own way?

There are Remainers who would now favour leaving just to defend the democratic system.
Do you want to highlight them?

Nothing has changed, other than many lies being debunked.

A hard Brexit is, was, and ever will be an economic disaster for the UK.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Apr 19 3.10pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Nothing has changed, other than many lies being debunked.

A hard Brexit is, was, and ever will be an economic disaster for the UK.

Incorrect.

Some predict disaster. No one actually can say with any certainty what will happen.
So far, predictions of doom have failed to materialise.

You have to continue to find reasons to justify your position on this because you lost the vote, whereas I do not. My conviction remains the same. I have no need to keep finding new justifications to leave. The original reasons still apply.

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 09 Apr 19 3.29pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Incorrect.

Some predict disaster. No one actually can say with any certainty what will happen.
So far, predictions of doom have failed to materialise.

You have to continue to find reasons to justify your position on this because you lost the vote, whereas I do not. My conviction remains the same. I have no need to keep finding new justifications to leave. The original reasons still apply.

You've never wondered why people do that? Why people feel so strongly about this issue? That there is a huge groundswell of opinion that Brexit is a huge mistake?

Seems as though you only see the argument from your own side and struggle to see both sides of the debate which discredits your analysis.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Apr 19 3.51pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

You've never wondered why people do that? Why people feel so strongly about this issue? That there is a huge groundswell of opinion that Brexit is a huge mistake?

Seems as though you only see the argument from your own side and struggle to see both sides of the debate which discredits your analysis.

No there isn't. There are a bunch of politicians and other pricks like Tony Blair who have always been Remainers and who still can't accept that they lost.
Then you have the other sad losers who parrot what they say.
No groundswell at all.

The only growing feeling I see among real people is that politicians cannot be trusted to abide by the result of a democratic vote.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Apr 2019 3.52pm)

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 09 Apr 19 4.05pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


Seems as though you only see the argument from your own side and struggle to see both sides of the debate which discredits your analysis.

Your posts get more and more surreal and if there is a more pots and kettles type post around then I haven't seen it

 

Matov Flag 09 Apr 19 4.24pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No there isn't. There are a bunch of politicians and other pricks like Tony Blair who have always been Remainers and who still can't accept that they lost.
Then you have the other sad losers who parrot what they say.
No groundswell at all.

The only growing feeling I see among real people is that politicians cannot be trusted to abide by the result of a democratic vote.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Apr 2019 3.52pm)

Yep. All of that.

My only wish now is that if they are going to renege on the Leave victory on June 23rd then they at least have the courage to spare us the farce of this 'Peoples Vote' nonsense. Only makes it worse.

Have the courage of their convictions. Revoke A50 and tell us to our faces that they think we are thick proles who should not be allowed to scupper their own dreams of being 'European'.

Of course, the fight carries on and this never goes away but at least you can have a modicum of respect for their honesty when it comes to this betrayal.

Spit in our faces rather than stab us in the back.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Apr 19 4.35pm

Originally posted by Matov

Yep. All of that.

My only wish now is that if they are going to renege on the Leave victory on June 23rd then they at least have the courage to spare us the farce of this 'Peoples Vote' nonsense. Only makes it worse.

Have the courage of their convictions. Revoke A50 and tell us to our faces that they think we are thick proles who should not be allowed to scupper their own dreams of being 'European'.

Of course, the fight carries on and this never goes away but at least you can have a modicum of respect for their honesty when it comes to this betrayal.

Spit in our faces rather than stab us in the back.

That is not the political way.

As we speak, I expect they are plotting a way to revoke while dispersing the blame in all directions.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 19 5.05pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Obviously there are groupings, it's not like there are actually 17.4 million different tangible reasons – clearly being said to exaggerate – but the broader point stands, and it's one I keep banging on about. Every leave voter seems to think their reason/version of brexit represents the view of the other 17.4m. 'We'. Same for remain. Stop being so idiotic.

Regarding evidence? Look it up. There are various sources, from polling sites to consultancy research that are continually being done now, and were done at the time.

I can't believe that you genuinely think that everyone who voted in the Referendum, either leave or remain, all did so for exactly the same reason (eg. immigration), and or the same outcome (e.g. WTO).

You can even do this yourself. Go to a leave area and ask 100 people what they expected when they voted – WTO, EEA/Norway, some form of negotiated deal, etc. The chance that every single person will say Immigration and WTO is ridiculous.

Even now, polling is split as to what leave voters want. WTO, Canada, EEA, Mays Deal, No Deal, even a second ref.

I despair

Did I say this? My point was that whenever a Brexiteer puts forward points PP insists on them producing FACTS but he, Steeleye do not seem to have to produce facts, just articles from the Guardian.
Please explain why I am being idiotic (apart from voting leave)

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 19 5.08pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

You've never wondered why people do that? Why people feel so strongly about this issue? That there is a huge groundswell of opinion that Brexit is a huge mistake?

Seems as though you only see the argument from your own side and struggle to see both sides of the debate which discredits your analysis.

I cannot believe you have had the nerve to write this (or perhaps I can!!) where in this thread have you ever seen the argument from the Leavers side?

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 19 5.12pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I don't think he understands.

Probably not, he is a Brexiteer and therefore lacks intellect (apparently)

 

Matov Flag 09 Apr 19 5.13pm

I genuinely struggle with this narrative that somehow people who voted Leave did not understand what it meant.

Let's look at the issues being discussed at the moment.

The Single Market - An institution of the EU.
The Customs Union - An institution of the EU.
Freedom of Movement - An institution of the EU.

So leaving the EU means...well leaving all three of those.

There was no caveat that Leave could not happen without a deal.

The only people who seem to struggle with understanding what Leave actually meant are those who voted Remain.

And us Leavers are meant to be the thickos?

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Pussay Patrol Flag 09 Apr 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by Matov

Yep. All of that.

My only wish now is that if they are going to renege on the Leave victory on June 23rd then they at least have the courage to spare us the farce of this 'Peoples Vote' nonsense. Only makes it worse.

Have the courage of their convictions. Revoke A50 and tell us to our faces that they think we are thick proles who should not be allowed to scupper their own dreams of being 'European'.

Of course, the fight carries on and this never goes away but at least you can have a modicum of respect for their honesty when it comes to this betrayal.

Spit in our faces rather than stab us in the back.

The use of the word betrayal is ridiculous, as if you expect politicians to deliver on a promise, more fool you

For me betrayal is 10 years of austerity, underfunding police, schools, homelessness and growing poverty in the UK, that's real betrayal of the public and Brexit is their distraction. You ignore real issues that affect peoples lives and get angry about a stupid vote. You're being had. And when you get your beloved Brexit they can blame you for it and force another generation of hardship on you.

Well done

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 19 5.16pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Probably 2.

Status quo or remain and reform.

I heard there was a s***house Finland compromise 2.4253 but it turned out to be false.

You really think the EU will reform? There is more chance of PP voting to leave

 

elgrande Flag bedford 09 Apr 19 5.17pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Probably 2.

Status quo or remain and reform.

I heard there was a s***house Finland compromise 2.4253 but it turned out to be false.

The EU are not for reforming...they have said as much for years,and here lies the problem.
If maybe they were not such a franco/German club,and published their accounts( never have done),amongst many other thing's, then maybe we wouldn't have the s*** storm we have now.
I personally do not want a federalist Europe,why cant we just trade together and be done.
That's what the common market was.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 19 5.18pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

The use of the word betrayal is ridiculous, as if you expect politicians to deliver on a promise, more fool you

For me betrayal is 10 years of austerity, underfunding police, schools, homelessness and growing poverty in the UK, that's real betrayal of the public and Brexit is their distraction. You ignore real issues that affect peoples lives and get angry about a stupid vote. You're being had. And when you get your beloved Brexit they can blame you for it and force another generation of hardship on you.

Well done

You could have stayed here and fought the good fight from within

 

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