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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I wouldn't have thought you would see any climbdown from any leavers on here So says the person whom only this morning was talking about the small minded people on here. Try looking in the mirror
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Only in the minds of people hell bent on reversing it. The point being made here is that Oborne is a Brexiter and a big eurosceptic
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You proved my point nicely. Thanks. To be precise I live in a world where some people understand then admit they were wrong, like this daily mail journo. Your argument is somewhat Faragian in that it doesn’t hold a lot of water. That 7 minute interview basically sets out the folly of the no deal brigade.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The point being made here is that Oborne is a Brexiter and a big eurosceptic So what?
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
To be precise I live in a world where some people understand then admit they were wrong, like this daily mail journo. Your argument is somewhat Faragian in that it doesn’t hold a lot of water. That 7 minute interview basically sets out the folly of the no deal brigade. So one person who writes in a newspaper has a view that you jump on and that changes everything? Do you really think that anyone is fooled by Remainer attempts at getting your own way? There are Remainers who would now favour leaving just to defend the democratic system.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So one person who writes in a newspaper has a view that you jump on and that changes everything? Do you really think that anyone is fooled by Remainer attempts at getting your own way? There are Remainers who would now favour leaving just to defend the democratic system. Nothing has changed, other than many lies being debunked. A hard Brexit is, was, and ever will be an economic disaster for the UK.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Nothing has changed, other than many lies being debunked. A hard Brexit is, was, and ever will be an economic disaster for the UK. Incorrect. Some predict disaster. No one actually can say with any certainty what will happen. You have to continue to find reasons to justify your position on this because you lost the vote, whereas I do not. My conviction remains the same. I have no need to keep finding new justifications to leave. The original reasons still apply.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Incorrect. Some predict disaster. No one actually can say with any certainty what will happen. You have to continue to find reasons to justify your position on this because you lost the vote, whereas I do not. My conviction remains the same. I have no need to keep finding new justifications to leave. The original reasons still apply. You've never wondered why people do that? Why people feel so strongly about this issue? That there is a huge groundswell of opinion that Brexit is a huge mistake? Seems as though you only see the argument from your own side and struggle to see both sides of the debate which discredits your analysis.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
You've never wondered why people do that? Why people feel so strongly about this issue? That there is a huge groundswell of opinion that Brexit is a huge mistake? Seems as though you only see the argument from your own side and struggle to see both sides of the debate which discredits your analysis. No there isn't. There are a bunch of politicians and other pricks like Tony Blair who have always been Remainers and who still can't accept that they lost. The only growing feeling I see among real people is that politicians cannot be trusted to abide by the result of a democratic vote. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Apr 2019 3.52pm)
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Your posts get more and more surreal and if there is a more pots and kettles type post around then I haven't seen it
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No there isn't. There are a bunch of politicians and other pricks like Tony Blair who have always been Remainers and who still can't accept that they lost. The only growing feeling I see among real people is that politicians cannot be trusted to abide by the result of a democratic vote. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Apr 2019 3.52pm) Yep. All of that. My only wish now is that if they are going to renege on the Leave victory on June 23rd then they at least have the courage to spare us the farce of this 'Peoples Vote' nonsense. Only makes it worse. Have the courage of their convictions. Revoke A50 and tell us to our faces that they think we are thick proles who should not be allowed to scupper their own dreams of being 'European'. Of course, the fight carries on and this never goes away but at least you can have a modicum of respect for their honesty when it comes to this betrayal. Spit in our faces rather than stab us in the back.
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Originally posted by Matov
Yep. All of that. My only wish now is that if they are going to renege on the Leave victory on June 23rd then they at least have the courage to spare us the farce of this 'Peoples Vote' nonsense. Only makes it worse. Have the courage of their convictions. Revoke A50 and tell us to our faces that they think we are thick proles who should not be allowed to scupper their own dreams of being 'European'. Of course, the fight carries on and this never goes away but at least you can have a modicum of respect for their honesty when it comes to this betrayal. Spit in our faces rather than stab us in the back. That is not the political way. As we speak, I expect they are plotting a way to revoke while dispersing the blame in all directions.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Obviously there are groupings, it's not like there are actually 17.4 million different tangible reasons – clearly being said to exaggerate – but the broader point stands, and it's one I keep banging on about. Every leave voter seems to think their reason/version of brexit represents the view of the other 17.4m. 'We'. Same for remain. Stop being so idiotic. Regarding evidence? Look it up. There are various sources, from polling sites to consultancy research that are continually being done now, and were done at the time. I can't believe that you genuinely think that everyone who voted in the Referendum, either leave or remain, all did so for exactly the same reason (eg. immigration), and or the same outcome (e.g. WTO). You can even do this yourself. Go to a leave area and ask 100 people what they expected when they voted – WTO, EEA/Norway, some form of negotiated deal, etc. The chance that every single person will say Immigration and WTO is ridiculous. Even now, polling is split as to what leave voters want. WTO, Canada, EEA, Mays Deal, No Deal, even a second ref. I despair Did I say this? My point was that whenever a Brexiteer puts forward points PP insists on them producing FACTS but he, Steeleye do not seem to have to produce facts, just articles from the Guardian.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
You've never wondered why people do that? Why people feel so strongly about this issue? That there is a huge groundswell of opinion that Brexit is a huge mistake? Seems as though you only see the argument from your own side and struggle to see both sides of the debate which discredits your analysis. I cannot believe you have had the nerve to write this (or perhaps I can!!) where in this thread have you ever seen the argument from the Leavers side?
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I don't think he understands. Probably not, he is a Brexiteer and therefore lacks intellect (apparently)
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Originally posted by Matov
Yep. All of that. My only wish now is that if they are going to renege on the Leave victory on June 23rd then they at least have the courage to spare us the farce of this 'Peoples Vote' nonsense. Only makes it worse. Have the courage of their convictions. Revoke A50 and tell us to our faces that they think we are thick proles who should not be allowed to scupper their own dreams of being 'European'. Of course, the fight carries on and this never goes away but at least you can have a modicum of respect for their honesty when it comes to this betrayal. Spit in our faces rather than stab us in the back. The use of the word betrayal is ridiculous, as if you expect politicians to deliver on a promise, more fool you For me betrayal is 10 years of austerity, underfunding police, schools, homelessness and growing poverty in the UK, that's real betrayal of the public and Brexit is their distraction. You ignore real issues that affect peoples lives and get angry about a stupid vote. You're being had. And when you get your beloved Brexit they can blame you for it and force another generation of hardship on you. Well done
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Probably 2. Status quo or remain and reform. You really think the EU will reform? There is more chance of PP voting to leave
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Probably 2. Status quo or remain and reform. I heard there was a s***house Finland compromise 2.4253 but it turned out to be false. The EU are not for reforming...they have said as much for years,and here lies the problem.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The use of the word betrayal is ridiculous, as if you expect politicians to deliver on a promise, more fool you For me betrayal is 10 years of austerity, underfunding police, schools, homelessness and growing poverty in the UK, that's real betrayal of the public and Brexit is their distraction. You ignore real issues that affect peoples lives and get angry about a stupid vote. You're being had. And when you get your beloved Brexit they can blame you for it and force another generation of hardship on you. Well done You could have stayed here and fought the good fight from within
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