It didn’t peak in 2016 at all. But there was a vote. The largest in British history. People voted to leave the European Union. We need to leave the European Union, it’s as simple as that. Think of the implications of reversing the result of that for millions of people. There would be civil disobedience and you are very very naive to think that the result would be any different in a second referendum.

Since day one in the Brexit debate. There have been 2 wings that have been focused on entirely. The ultra remainers & ultra leavers. Both are as unreasonable, toxic and dishonest as eachother. It’s nothing other than tribalism. The reality is that in the majority. There are a lot of decent people stuck in the middle who voted both remain and leave. But could recognise fully the legitimacy of the other sides arguments. We now hear from the 2nd referendum campaigners about all those poor leave voters who were unsure and would now vote differently. We NEVER hear about the other side: remainers who could’ve easily voted leave in the first place and would vote differently in another referendum. I happen to be one of them.

The job for any government now is to implement the result of the referendum whilst attempting to secure the best possible outcome for as close to 100% of people as possible. Trying to reverse Brexit before we’ve even left would be a cynical undermining of democracy. I literally cannot believe anyone would argue that it wouldn’t be just because it suits their side of the argument and what they personally think will be best.

Principles *should* ALWAYS trump personal political positions. But I’m starting to see a side of the ultra wing of remainers I refer to, that would suggest they have none whatsoever.

I disagree. The result may well be exactly the same, but I can't see why affirming this would be any sort of perversion of democracy. There has been sufficient gap and significant changes in people's understanding of the issues. The Irish border for instance was barely mentioned in the run up to the referendum. There are plenty of other factors that were also not spoken about or misrepresented by both sides.

Also the amount of red tape created by Brexit is staggering. I understood from the leave campaign there would be less, but reading these no deal technical notices it's clear there would be swathes of additional bureaucracy created by Brexit.

Given the Irish border issue I still believe the choice will end up being BINO or no Brexit as the ERG proposals don't work, Chequers doesn't work and the Tories have promised no Irish sea border and maintaining the same conditions in NI and rUK. This means soft soft Brexit without the existence Unicorn technology.

Corbyn most certainly doesn’t want another in/out vote. No idea why you’re even suggesting he does.

It’s that thing again where someone’s not on your side, so everything bad is automatically associated with them. It’s the Blairites a staunch leaver such as yourself should be concerned with.

Edited by Mstrobez (24 Sep 2018 4.50pm)

Calm down. We’re discussing Brexit. Not having an unprovoked bit of good old Corbyn bashing.

Edited by Mstrobez (24 Sep 2018 5.29pm)