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Spiderman Horsham 10 Apr 19 10.25am
Originally posted by cryrst Private health is taxed Company cars are taxed Life insurance is reflected in a slightly lower salary And like the public sector dont do corporate hospitality yeah right. And your overtime was still payed by the private tax payer. I think you have fallen into the trap of putting all public sector workers in the same basket. There are Senior Civil Servants and there are the "bread and butter" workers. When you say private tax payer, what do you mean? As a public sector worker believe it or not I also paid tax so, you could say, I paid for my own overtime (by the way in my job some of the overtime was unpaid). With regard to pay rises, the public sector had a restriction on wage rises for the last 6-7 years I worked, I averaged less than 1% rise per year, taking into account inflation I was in fact, being paid less. George Osborne identified public sector workers as easy targets because, apart from possible the NHS and teachers, the perception from the public was that we did no work and were not value for money, a perception that obviously some on here have got.

Spiderman

Horsham 10 Apr 19 10.25am

Originally posted by cryrst

Private health is taxed
Company cars are taxed
Life insurance is reflected in a slightly lower salary
And like the public sector dont do corporate hospitality yeah right.
And your overtime was still payed by the private tax payer.

I think you have fallen into the trap of putting all public sector workers in the same basket. There are Senior Civil Servants and there are the "bread and butter" workers.
When you say private tax payer, what do you mean? As a public sector worker believe it or not I also paid tax so, you could say, I paid for my own overtime (by the way in my job some of the overtime was unpaid).
With regard to pay rises, the public sector had a restriction on wage rises for the last 6-7 years I worked, I averaged less than 1% rise per year, taking into account inflation I was in fact, being paid less. George Osborne identified public sector workers as easy targets because, apart from possible the NHS and teachers, the perception from the public was that we did no work and were not value for money, a perception that obviously some on here have got.

Spiderman Horsham 10 Apr 19 10.27am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol So if you weigh up the pros and cons from an economic perspective and conclude that Brexit is not a good idea, that makes you a staunch remainer? Come on, it is well known that the multi-millionaire Phillip Hammond is a staunch remainer, why not just admit it

Spiderman

Horsham 10 Apr 19 10.27am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So if you weigh up the pros and cons from an economic perspective and conclude that Brexit is not a good idea, that makes you a staunch remainer?

Come on, it is well known that the multi-millionaire Phillip Hammond is a staunch remainer, why not just admit it

Pussay Patrol 10 Apr 19 10.35am
Originally posted by Spiderman I think you have fallen into the trap of putting all public sector workers in the same basket. There are Senior Civil Servants and there are the "bread and butter" workers. When you say private tax payer, what do you mean? As a public sector worker believe it or not I also paid tax so, you could say, I paid for my own overtime (by the way in my job some of the overtime was unpaid). With regard to pay rises, the public sector had a restriction on wage rises for the last 6-7 years I worked, I averaged less than 1% rise per year, taking into account inflation I was in fact, being paid less. George Osborne identified public sector workers as easy targets because, apart from possible the NHS and teachers, the perception from the public was that we did no work and were not value for money, a perception that obviously some on here have got. Perceptions stoked up by the media to play one set of people against another with the notion that because public sector workers pay is paid for out of taxes that some how they are stealing a living to fuel the race to the bottom argument Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

10 Apr 19 10.35am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Perceptions stoked up by the media to play one set of people against another with the notion that because public sector workers pay is paid for out of taxes that some how they are stealing a living to fuel the race to the bottom argument

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol 10 Apr 19 10.48am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Is GDP literally the only thing you care about? Do you realise alot of people voted leave regardless of GDP, you know it was their legal right to leave on reasons other than GDP. please acknowledge that. It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

10 Apr 19 10.48am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Is GDP literally the only thing you care about?
Do you realise alot of people voted leave regardless of GDP, you know it was their legal right to leave on reasons other than GDP. please acknowledge that.

It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Midlands Eagle 10 Apr 19 10.51am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Perceptions stoked up by the media to play one set of people against another with the notion that because public sector workers pay is paid for out of taxes that some how they are stealing a living to fuel the race to the bottom argument I used to be a moderator on another forum running on vbulletin software. We had a user group on that forum called "Coventry" and if anyone was sent to Coventry all of his posts were invisible to everyone except himself so he could go on merrily posting crap never realising that no-one else had to suffer reading it. If we had that user group here you would be the first person to be put in it so that no-one would have to read your banalities any more

Midlands Eagle

10 Apr 19 10.51am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I used to be a moderator on another forum running on vbulletin software. We had a user group on that forum called "Coventry" and if anyone was sent to Coventry all of his posts were invisible to everyone except himself so he could go on merrily posting crap never realising that no-one else had to suffer reading it.

If we had that user group here you would be the first person to be put in it so that no-one would have to read your banalities any more

Midlands Eagle 10 Apr 19 10.53am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially Are you saying that battered wives should stay with their husbands as they are financially better off there?

Midlands Eagle

10 Apr 19 10.53am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially

Are you saying that battered wives should stay with their husbands as they are financially better off there?

chris123 hove actually 10 Apr 19 11.02am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially You ask this or a variation thereof over and over again.

chris123

hove actually 10 Apr 19 11.02am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially

You ask this or a variation thereof over and over again.

cryrst The garden of England 10 Apr 19 11.53am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Perceptions stoked up by the media to play one set of people against another with the notion that because public sector workers pay is paid for out of taxes that some how they are stealing a living to fuel the race to the bottom argument I didnt say that at all. public sector pensions are better than could be had privately. Thats a fact. The wages being slightly lower does not correlate to the amount in the pension pot. This is why the pay rises are 1%. If the pension was a set amount and not linked to pay then a bigger rise would be financially viable. Having your cake and eating it comes to mind.

cryrst

The garden of England 10 Apr 19 11.53am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I didnt say that at all.
public sector pensions are better than could be had privately.
Thats a fact.
The wages being slightly lower does not correlate to the amount in the pension pot.
This is why the pay rises are 1%.
If the pension was a set amount and not linked to pay then a bigger rise would be financially viable.
Having your cake and eating it comes to mind.

Pussay Patrol 10 Apr 19 12.01pm
Originally posted by cryrst I didnt say that at all. public sector pensions are better than could be had privately. Thats a fact. The wages being slightly lower does not correlate to the amount in the pension pot. This is why the pay rises are 1%. If the pension was a set amount and not linked to pay then a bigger rise would be financially viable. Having your cake and eating it comes to mind. Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less. Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

10 Apr 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less.

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Midlands Eagle 10 Apr 19 12.06pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less. You are Nick Gussett and I claim my £10

Midlands Eagle

10 Apr 19 12.06pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less.

You are Nick Gussett and I claim my £10

Teddy Eagle 10 Apr 19 12.15pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle You are Nick Gussett and I claim my £10 That could be £10.02 if it weren’t for all those billionaires hogging the money.

Teddy Eagle

10 Apr 19 12.15pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You are Nick Gussett and I claim my £10

That could be £10.02 if it weren’t for all those billionaires hogging the money.

cryrst The garden of England 10 Apr 19 12.25pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less. Does that first word actually mean you agree. Wow a first. Anyhow everyone has less after the people with more get it taken from them; so we are all equally poor. Labours manifesto pledge. A totally feel good future.

cryrst

The garden of England 10 Apr 19 12.25pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Perhaps, it's just that I would argue we should fight so we all get better pay and pensions rather than others don't deserve it and therefore they should get less. Then everyone gets less.

Does that first word actually mean you agree.
Wow a first.
Anyhow everyone has less after the people with more get it taken from them; so we are all equally poor.
Labours manifesto pledge.
A totally feel good future.

Lyons550 Shirley 10 Apr 19 12.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So one person who writes in a newspaper has a view that you jump on and that changes everything? Do you really think that anyone is fooled by Remainer attempts at getting your own way? There are Remainers who would now favour leaving just to defend the democratic system. Do you want to highlight them? That is me tbh...this whole thing is a mess...with ALL SIDES playing a part. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 10 Apr 19 12.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So one person who writes in a newspaper has a view that you jump on and that changes everything?

Do you really think that anyone is fooled by Remainer attempts at getting your own way?

There are Remainers who would now favour leaving just to defend the democratic system.
Do you want to highlight them?

That is me tbh...this whole thing is a mess...with ALL SIDES playing a part.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550 Shirley 10 Apr 19 12.51pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 You aren't realistic, nobody in the UK or EU can trust a British PM. Even if they did, that PM could not deliver, as we have seen they just cannot deliver the UK parliament. Negotiating with a British PM is not the same as negotiating with the UK itself. It is just a circus. Given that reality they have been remarkably civilised and understanding. Edited by steeleye20 (09 Apr 2019 6.55pm) So lets just abolish parliment then... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

Lyons550

Shirley 10 Apr 19 12.51pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You aren't realistic, nobody in the UK or EU can trust a British PM.

Even if they did, that PM could not deliver, as we have seen they just cannot deliver the UK parliament.

Negotiating with a British PM is not the same as negotiating with the UK itself.

It is just a circus.

Given that reality they have been remarkably civilised and understanding.

Edited by steeleye20 (09 Apr 2019 6.55pm)

So lets just abolish parliment then...

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

dannyboy1978 10 Apr 19 1.09pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially I can financially show you how much we loose in the EU [Link] You then show me the IMF forecast who keep getting it wrong. I voted out, I want out

dannyboy1978

10 Apr 19 1.09pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It's hard to make a credible case for leaving the EU if you can't show how you would better off financially

I can financially show you how much we loose in the EU
[Link]

You then show me the IMF forecast who keep getting it wrong.

I voted out, I want out

elgrande bedford 10 Apr 19 1.46pm
Macron trying to act the tough with us. Hes hated in his own country,has elections coming and neck and neck with le penn. He will not be re elected,the franco German alliance will falter soon enough. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 10 Apr 19 1.46pm

Macron trying to act the tough with us.

Hes hated in his own country,has elections coming and neck and neck with le penn.
He will not be re elected,the franco German alliance will falter soon enough.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

dannyboy1978 10 Apr 19 1.56pm
Have a look at the graph half way down and count how many EU countries who are in the top ten with highest global debt. Then tell me how successful the EU is. [Link]

dannyboy1978

10 Apr 19 1.56pm

Have a look at the graph half way down and count how many EU countries who are in the top ten with highest global debt. Then tell me how successful the EU is.

[Link]

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 10 Apr 19 2.01pm
Originally posted by elgrande Macron trying to act the tough with us. Hes hated in his own country,has elections coming and neck and neck with le penn. He will not be re elected,the franco German alliance will falter soon enough. Next Presidential election is 2022, quite a way off considering and current polls suggest Macron has a 300bps lead despite the yellow vests. But you are correct Macron is playing popularist politics, similar to several domestic turnarounds, for example, rural speed limits. However on Brexit, I forecast win-win for the De Galle protégé. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 10 Apr 19 2.01pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Macron trying to act the tough with us.

Hes hated in his own country,has elections coming and neck and neck with le penn.
He will not be re elected,the franco German alliance will falter soon enough.

Next Presidential election is 2022, quite a way off considering and current polls suggest Macron has a 300bps lead despite the yellow vests.

But you are correct Macron is playing popularist politics, similar to several domestic turnarounds, for example, rural speed limits. However on Brexit, I forecast win-win for the De Galle protégé.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Pussay Patrol 10 Apr 19 2.51pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I can financially show you how much we loose in the EU [Link] You then show me the IMF forecast who keep getting it wrong. I voted out, I want out The EU is responsible for the UK's national debt? This is why we need a 2nd vote Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

10 Apr 19 2.51pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I can financially show you how much we loose in the EU
[Link]

You then show me the IMF forecast who keep getting it wrong.

I voted out, I want out

The EU is responsible for the UK's national debt?

This is why we need a 2nd vote

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

elgrande bedford 10 Apr 19 3.00pm
Originally posted by pefwin Next Presidential election is 2022, quite a way off considering and current polls suggest Macron has a 300bps lead despite the yellow vests. But you are correct Macron is playing popularist politics, similar to several domestic turnarounds, for example, rural speed limits. However on Brexit, I forecast win-win for the De Galle protégé. Not what I heard on the wireless today,but didn't realise the elections were so far away.I thought they were closer always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 10 Apr 19 3.00pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Next Presidential election is 2022, quite a way off considering and current polls suggest Macron has a 300bps lead despite the yellow vests.

But you are correct Macron is playing popularist politics, similar to several domestic turnarounds, for example, rural speed limits. However on Brexit, I forecast win-win for the De Galle protégé.

Not what I heard on the wireless today,but didn't realise the elections were so far away.I thought they were closer

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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