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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Apr 19 9.16am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol The Tories don't want a GE, they will take a battering for the brexit debacle, they are being propped up by the DUP and with an inevitable swing the other way who else can they go into coalition with? Corbyns popularity won't come into it as he will get all the remain voters and people who vote other right wing parties only helps labour. The only realistic next government is a labour / SNP coalition The possible permutations are limitless. No Tory MP wants to replace May before a leave-deal is done. It's a suicide mission. However, if May continues to fck things up, it puts the Government and Tory MP's under huge pressure from voters. Even the crumbling alliance with the DUP is unlikely to be enough. Corbyn is not a popular opposition leader to the voters/media. His Shadow Cabinet is also very poor. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 11 Apr 19 9.16am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

The Tories don't want a GE, they will take a battering for the brexit debacle, they are being propped up by the DUP and with an inevitable swing the other way who else can they go into coalition with? Corbyns popularity won't come into it as he will get all the remain voters and people who vote other right wing parties only helps labour.

The only realistic next government is a labour / SNP coalition

The possible permutations are limitless. No Tory MP wants to replace May before a leave-deal is done. It's a suicide mission.
However, if May continues to fck things up, it puts the Government and Tory MP's under huge pressure from voters. Even the crumbling alliance with the DUP is unlikely to be enough.
Corbyn is not a popular opposition leader to the voters/media. His Shadow Cabinet is also very poor.

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion

I disengage, I turn the page.

Mapletree Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.27am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not so. [Link] [Link] This is confusing Your first link appears to show the idea that Heath lied about the progressive effects of political union is in fact misinformation. The second link is not facts, simply hearsay. My father was a small business owner at the time and hugely enthusiastic for joining the EEC. As were the majority of people.

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.27am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not so.

[Link]

This is confusing

Your first link appears to show the idea that Heath lied about the progressive effects of political union is in fact misinformation.

The second link is not facts, simply hearsay.

My father was a small business owner at the time and hugely enthusiastic for joining the EEC. As were the majority of people.

Mapletree Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.33am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly The possible permutations are limitless. No Tory MP wants to replace May before a leave-deal is done. It's a suicide mission. However, if May continues to fck things up, it puts the Government and Tory MP's under huge pressure from voters. Even the crumbling alliance with the DUP is unlikely to be enough. Corbyn is not a popular opposition leader to the voters/media. His Shadow Cabinet is also very poor. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion What makes you say the Shadow Cabinet is poor? In contrast take a look at the Government. Talk about pale, stale and male. [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.33am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It's like watching a car crash in slow motion

What makes you say the Shadow Cabinet is poor?

In contrast take a look at the Government. Talk about pale, stale and male.

[Link]

Teddy Eagle 11 Apr 19 9.41am
Originally posted by Mapletree This is confusing Your first link appears to show the idea that Heath lied about the progressive effects of political union is in fact misinformation. The second link is not facts, simply hearsay. My father was a small business owner at the time and hugely enthusiastic for joining the EEC. As were the majority of people. The majority of the Labour Party weren’t hugely enthusiastic. They voted to leave in 1975.

Teddy Eagle

11 Apr 19 9.41am

Originally posted by Mapletree

This is confusing

Your first link appears to show the idea that Heath lied about the progressive effects of political union is in fact misinformation.

The second link is not facts, simply hearsay.

My father was a small business owner at the time and hugely enthusiastic for joining the EEC. As were the majority of people.

The majority of the Labour Party weren’t hugely enthusiastic. They voted to leave in 1975.

cpfc_chap koh samui 11 Apr 19 9.48am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol The Tories don't want a GE, they will take a battering for the brexit debacle, they are being propped up by the DUP and with an inevitable swing the other way who else can they go into coalition with? Corbyns popularity won't come into it as he will get all the remain voters and people who vote other right wing parties only helps labour. The only realistic next government is a labour / SNP coalition And who do you think the 60% of Labour voters who voted leave are going to vote? Pretty certain not a party that wants to stay or another referendum! Forget the new liberal Labour voters down south. It's the working class Labour voters that want out too!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 11 Apr 19 9.48am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

The only realistic next government is a labour / SNP coalition

And who do you think the 60% of Labour voters who voted leave are going to vote? Pretty certain not a party that wants to stay or another referendum! Forget the new liberal Labour voters down south. It's the working class Labour voters that want out too!

steeleye20 Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.48am
Originally posted by Mapletree This is confusing Your first link appears to show the idea that Heath lied about the progressive effects of political union is in fact misinformation. The second link is not facts, simply hearsay. My father was a small business owner at the time and hugely enthusiastic for joining the EEC. As were the majority of people. Both Heath and Wilson were quite straight with the people and the people gave their whole-hearted consent. The real difference between now and then is that now the Brits are no longer nice people.

steeleye20

Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.48am

Originally posted by Mapletree

This is confusing

Your first link appears to show the idea that Heath lied about the progressive effects of political union is in fact misinformation.

The second link is not facts, simply hearsay.

My father was a small business owner at the time and hugely enthusiastic for joining the EEC. As were the majority of people.

Both Heath and Wilson were quite straight with the people and the people gave their whole-hearted consent.

The real difference between now and then is that now the Brits are no longer nice people.

steeleye20 Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.53am
Wise words from the Spanish PM:- The most important lesson we need to learn from what’s happening in the UK is that when decision-making processes, based on lies, are put in the hands of the people, societies – in this case British society – wind up down a blind alley.

steeleye20

Croydon 11 Apr 19 9.53am

Wise words from the Spanish PM:-

The most important lesson we need to learn from what’s happening in the UK is that when decision-making processes, based on lies, are put in the hands of the people, societies – in this case British society – wind up down a blind alley.

Teddy Eagle 11 Apr 19 9.55am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Both Heath and Wilson were quite straight with the people and the people gave their whole-hearted consent. The real difference between now and then is that now the Brits are no longer nice people. Referring to people as pale, male and stale isn’t very “nice” either.

Teddy Eagle

11 Apr 19 9.55am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Both Heath and Wilson were quite straight with the people and the people gave their whole-hearted consent.

The real difference between now and then is that now the Brits are no longer nice people.

Referring to people as pale, male and stale isn’t very “nice” either.

Midlands Eagle 11 Apr 19 9.57am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Wise words from the Spanish PM:- The most important lesson we need to learn from what’s happening in the UK is that when decision-making processes, based on lies, are put in the hands of the people, societies – in this case British society – wind up down a blind alley. Is that the same Spanish Prime Minister that likes to imprison his opponents?

Midlands Eagle

11 Apr 19 9.57am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Wise words from the Spanish PM:-

Is that the same Spanish Prime Minister that likes to imprison his opponents?

chris123 hove actually 11 Apr 19 10.04am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Wise words from the Spanish PM:- The most important lesson we need to learn from what’s happening in the UK is that when decision-making processes, based on lies, are put in the hands of the people, societies – in this case British society – wind up down a blind alley. We're in good company, he had a pop at Pep too.

chris123

hove actually 11 Apr 19 10.04am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Wise words from the Spanish PM:-

We're in good company, he had a pop at Pep too.

Midlands Eagle 11 Apr 19 10.06am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol The Tories don't want a GE, they will take a battering for the brexit debacle, they are being propped up by the DUP and with an inevitable swing the other way who else can they go into coalition with? Corbyns popularity won't come into it as he will get all the remain voters and people who vote other right wing parties only helps labour. The only realistic next government is a labour / SNP coalition As usual you are spouting rubbish. The latest YouGov poll is showing that whilst the Conservatives are losing popularity the Labour party is losing popularity at the same rate. [Link] According to that party voters won't switch from one of the major parties to the other but the smaller parties will be the benefiviaries. I will be voting for Nigel Farage's Brexit Party in the forthcoming European elections if he has a candidate in my area as they are the only party guaranteed to want the same thing as me

Midlands Eagle

11 Apr 19 10.06am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

The only realistic next government is a labour / SNP coalition

As usual you are spouting rubbish. The latest YouGov poll is showing that whilst the Conservatives are losing popularity the Labour party is losing popularity at the same rate.

[Link]

According to that party voters won't switch from one of the major parties to the other but the smaller parties will be the benefiviaries.

I will be voting for Nigel Farage's Brexit Party in the forthcoming European elections if he has a candidate in my area as they are the only party guaranteed to want the same thing as me

dannyboy1978 11 Apr 19 10.14am
Originally posted by Mapletree What makes you say the Shadow Cabinet is poor? In contrast take a look at the Government. Talk about pale, stale and male. [Link] What's wrong with pale (white) And being male Do you think it would be acceptable to say Dark , female and crusty? NO. You sound bigoted. Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 10.16am) Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 10.20am)

dannyboy1978

11 Apr 19 10.14am

Originally posted by Mapletree

What makes you say the Shadow Cabinet is poor?

In contrast take a look at the Government. Talk about pale, stale and male.

[Link]

What's wrong with pale (white)
And being male

Do you think it would be acceptable to say
Dark , female and crusty? NO.

You sound bigoted.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 10.16am)

Edited by dannyboy1978 (11 Apr 2019 10.20am)

dannyboy1978 11 Apr 19 10.19am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Wise words from the Spanish PM:- The most important lesson we need to learn from what’s happening in the UK is that when decision-making processes, based on lies, are put in the hands of the people, societies – in this case British society – wind up down a blind alley. I read the 9 million pound brochure the government sent out. The liars are the government who took us down a blind alley.

dannyboy1978

11 Apr 19 10.19am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Wise words from the Spanish PM:-

I read the 9 million pound brochure the government sent out.
The liars are the government who took us down a blind alley.

topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 11 Apr 19 10.24am
Originally posted by DanH Brexit’s never happening lads. Brexit is happening. It wont be that Brexit that many on here want though. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

topcat

Holmesdale / Surbiton 11 Apr 19 10.24am

Originally posted by DanH

Brexit’s never happening lads.

Brexit is happening. It wont be that Brexit that many on here want though.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

steeleye20 Croydon 11 Apr 19 10.34am
Revoke and rejoice.

steeleye20

Croydon 11 Apr 19 10.34am

Revoke and rejoice.

Pussay Patrol 11 Apr 19 10.45am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Revoke and rejoice. Well I'm happy, I am traveling to UK this weekend then Spain and back to Holland, I can still enjoy the freedoms and rights we've worked more than 40 years for and hopefully, bin brexit and keep the status quo forever more Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

11 Apr 19 10.45am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Revoke and rejoice.

Well I'm happy, I am traveling to UK this weekend then Spain and back to Holland, I can still enjoy the freedoms and rights we've worked more than 40 years for and hopefully, bin brexit and keep the status quo forever more

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Teddy Eagle 11 Apr 19 11.01am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Well I'm happy, I am traveling to UK this weekend then Spain and back to Holland, I can still enjoy the freedoms and rights we've worked more than 40 years for and hopefully, bin brexit and keep the status quo forever more Well get your travelling in now because you’ll be confined to Britain after Brexit.

Teddy Eagle

11 Apr 19 11.01am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Well get your travelling in now because you’ll be confined to Britain after Brexit.

Midlands Eagle 11 Apr 19 11.07am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 What's wrong with pale (white) And being male Do you think it would be acceptable to say Dark , female and crusty? NO. You sound bigoted. I find it neither bigoted nor racist although I disagree with what he said as there are quite a few females and non whites in the Tory Government including the first Asian minister in one of the big three posts. At least Mrs May selects her team on merit and not because they are ex shag buddies

Midlands Eagle

11 Apr 19 11.07am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What's wrong with pale (white)
And being male

Do you think it would be acceptable to say
Dark , female and crusty? NO.

You sound bigoted.

I find it neither bigoted nor racist although I disagree with what he said as there are quite a few females and non whites in the Tory Government including the first Asian minister in one of the big three posts.

At least Mrs May selects her team on merit and not because they are ex shag buddies

Midlands Eagle 11 Apr 19 11.09am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Well get your travelling in now because you’ll be confined to Britain after Brexit. I hope not as we don't want him back again

Midlands Eagle

11 Apr 19 11.09am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Well get your travelling in now because you’ll be confined to Britain after Brexit.

I hope not as we don't want him back again

Badger11 Beckenham 11 Apr 19 11.30am
This morning I received a letter from Bromley Council requesting my assistance in the forth coming European Elections. I see the establishment didn't waste much time. I will be writing to the council to tell them to stick their election roles into the newly photographed black hole. I have been a Poll Clerk for more than 20 years and have done every type of election multiple times without fear or favour. Yes I got paid but I felt it my democratic duty to my fellow citizens. This may sound silly to some of you but on the day I was full of patriotic pride that in our country people of all sorts vote with their kids and whilst out walking their dogs etc. You don't need a policemen at the polling station keeping order. Neither do soldiers come to your home inviting you to vote. On the whole must people are cheerful, very polite to us election officials, slightly cynical and I haven't a clue how they voted which is how it should be. For me that has all changed I know it's not the council's fault but I refuse to take part in elections that are a sham when a Parliament has disgraced itself by ignoring the will of the people. If I belonged to a political party I would down tools as many Tory activists are doing. As for voting I haven't decided yet. Democracy in this country is a national disgrace. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 11 Apr 19 11.30am

This morning I received a letter from Bromley Council requesting my assistance in the forth coming European Elections. I see the establishment didn't waste much time.

I will be writing to the council to tell them to stick their election roles into the newly photographed black hole.

I have been a Poll Clerk for more than 20 years and have done every type of election multiple times without fear or favour. Yes I got paid but I felt it my democratic duty to my fellow citizens.

This may sound silly to some of you but on the day I was full of patriotic pride that in our country people of all sorts vote with their kids and whilst out walking their dogs etc. You don't need a policemen at the polling station keeping order. Neither do soldiers come to your home inviting you to vote. On the whole must people are cheerful, very polite to us election officials, slightly cynical and I haven't a clue how they voted which is how it should be.

For me that has all changed I know it's not the council's fault but I refuse to take part in elections that are a sham when a Parliament has disgraced itself by ignoring the will of the people. If I belonged to a political party I would down tools as many Tory activists are doing.

As for voting I haven't decided yet.

Democracy in this country is a national disgrace.

One more point

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