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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jul 14 7.30pm

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

So should the flag waver at Selhurst also embroider a caveat for using the flag on a separate flag so that those watching the mighty Palace on the telly don't think we are pro slavery?

 

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Quote nickgusset at 13 Jul 2014 7.30pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 7.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

So should the flag waver at Selhurst also embroider a caveat for using the flag on a separate flag so that those watching the mighty Palace on the telly don't think we are pro slavery?

That would be pants.

Na.....He should just make it clear when he's asked.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jul 14 7.41pm

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Quote nickgusset at 13 Jul 2014 7.30pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 7.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

So should the flag waver at Selhurst also embroider a caveat for using the flag on a separate flag so that those watching the mighty Palace on the telly don't think we are pro slavery?

That would be pants.

Na.....He should just make it clear when he's asked.

Difficult to do if you are in say, Detroit!

 

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Quote nickgusset at 13 Jul 2014 7.41pm

Difficult to do if you are in say, Detroit!

Personal choice.....Though it would seem a silly one.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 7.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

What a ridiculous comment from someone with no knowledge of history.

Im not a fan of liberals and generally am far from PC but that flag has such appalling conotations that it shouldnt be glossed over as a "personal choice" issue.

Is it a fair one to wave a Swastika if, along the lines of what you said, someone believed in a Austria German union but wasnt really a fan of the Holocaust?

As someone who has served alongside many Americans, there is a lot of denial over how bad the lot of Black people was in the US, especially during the time of slavery.

We should not welcome that kind of symbolism at Selhurst. Millwall, Chelsea, Leeds, Rangers etc can have it.

Edited by Lombardos barber (13 Jul 2014 8.34pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Jul 14 10.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Lombardos barber at 13 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 7.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

What a ridiculous comment from someone with no knowledge of history.

Im not a fan of liberals and generally am far from PC but that flag has such appalling conotations that it shouldnt be glossed over as a "personal choice" issue.

Is it a fair one to wave a Swastika if, along the lines of what you said, someone believed in a Austria German union but wasnt really a fan of the Holocaust?

As someone who has served alongside many Americans, there is a lot of denial over how bad the lot of Black people was in the US, especially during the time of slavery.

We should not welcome that kind of symbolism at Selhurst. Millwall, Chelsea, Leeds, Rangers etc can have it.

Edited by Lombardos barber (13 Jul 2014 8.34pm)

Oh dear.

Yeah, no knowledge of history mate. Strange how I've taught the subject in schools isn't it.

Did you read the series of posts? Or is your knee jerking?

The Swastika doesn't represent a German/Austria union by the way. It represents either the Nazis, modern far right groups by chosen association or as an ancient symbol sometimes used by several different cultures. The WW2 union between German and Austria is not its purpose.

That is an action the Nazis took, not the purpose of the flag.

The confederate flag does represent a union of southern states.....That's its original meaning and purpose. As that union was defeated in the civil war its usage by people now falls under several different guises.

So your analogy is wrong.....In fact it's quite annoying.

The confederate flag has been used by people who aren't racists and by those that are....It is down to context. The fact that some people can't move away from its association with slavery is their problem.

Britain practiced slavery under the union jack flag.....Should we associate that? Oh and the Dutch flag and so on.

It's a sodding flag....And people use it to mean what they want it to mean......A lot of Americans in the south use it to distance themselves from the US government.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2014 10.53pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jul 14 10.53pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 10.47pm

Quote Lombardos barber at 13 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 7.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

What a ridiculous comment from someone with no knowledge of history.

Im not a fan of liberals and generally am far from PC but that flag has such appalling conotations that it shouldnt be glossed over as a "personal choice" issue.

Is it a fair one to wave a Swastika if, along the lines of what you said, someone believed in a Austria German union but wasnt really a fan of the Holocaust?

As someone who has served alongside many Americans, there is a lot of denial over how bad the lot of Black people was in the US, especially during the time of slavery.

We should not welcome that kind of symbolism at Selhurst. Millwall, Chelsea, Leeds, Rangers etc can have it.

Edited by Lombardos barber (13 Jul 2014 8.34pm)

Oh dear.

Yeah, no knowledge of history mate. Strange how I've taught the subject in schools isn't it.

Did you read the series of posts? Or is your knee jerking?

The Swastika doesn't represent a German/Austria union by the way. It represents either the Nazis, modern far right groups by chosen association or as an ancient symbol sometimes used by several different cultures. The WW2 union between German and Austria is not its purpose.

That is an action the Nazis took, not the purpose of the flag.

The confederate flag does represent a union of southern states.....That's its original meaning and purpose. As that union was defeated in the civil war its usage by people now falls under several different guises.

So your analogy is wrong.....In fact it's quite annoying.

The confederate flag has been used by people who aren't racists and by those that are....It is down to context. The fact that some people can't move away from its association with slavery is their problem.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2014 10.48pm)


Which will unfortunately mean some viewers may draw the negative connotations if they see it.

Having said that, I'm sure that the flag, which if I remember rightly was part of a patchwork of other flags had been removed. Or I might have dreamt it.

 

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Lombardos barber Flag 13 Jul 14 10.57pm Send a Private Message to Lombardos barber Add Lombardos barber as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 10.47pm

Quote Lombardos barber at 13 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 7.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

What a ridiculous comment from someone with no knowledge of history.

Im not a fan of liberals and generally am far from PC but that flag has such appalling conotations that it shouldnt be glossed over as a "personal choice" issue.

Is it a fair one to wave a Swastika if, along the lines of what you said, someone believed in a Austria German union but wasnt really a fan of the Holocaust?

As someone who has served alongside many Americans, there is a lot of denial over how bad the lot of Black people was in the US, especially during the time of slavery.

We should not welcome that kind of symbolism at Selhurst. Millwall, Chelsea, Leeds, Rangers etc can have it.

Edited by Lombardos barber (13 Jul 2014 8.34pm)

Oh dear.

Yeah, no knowledge of history mate. Strange how I've taught the subject in schools isn't it.

Did you read the series of posts? Or is your knee jerking?

The Swastika doesn't represent a German/Austria union by the way. It represents either the Nazis, modern far right groups by chosen association or as an ancient symbol sometimes used by several different cultures. The WW2 union between German and Austria is not its purpose.

That is an action the Nazis took, not the purpose of the flag.

The confederate flag does represent a union of southern states.....That's its original meaning and purpose. As that union was defeated in the civil war its usage by people now falls under several different guises.

So your analogy is wrong.....In fact it's quite annoying.

The confederate flag has been used by people who aren't racists and by those that are....It is down to context. The fact that some people can't move away from its association with slavery is their problem.

Britain practiced slavery under the union jack flag.....Should we associate that? Oh and the Dutch flag and so on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2014 10.48pm)

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2014 10.52pm)

I couldn't care less about anything other than how that flag being waved may appear to our black players, black fans, and, in fact, anyone who isn't looking for reasons why symbols of oppression and racism are ok to fly in our crowds and therefore indirectly represent the club.

I'm happy to bow to your superior knowledge but this thread pxsses me off hugely. The Confederate flag has no place in our crowd.

 

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Quote Lombardos barber at 13 Jul 2014 10.57pm

I couldn't care less about anything other than how that flag being waved may appear to our black players, black fans, and, in fact, anyone who isn't looking for reasons why symbols of oppression and racism are ok to fly in our crowds and therefore indirectly represent the club.

I'm happy to bow to your superior knowledge but this thread pxsses me off hugely. The Confederate flag has no place in our crowd.


So you want to ban people from waving the flag then?

We don't know if the person waving the flag means any of those things. It would seem like a strange action when we have a side with many black players.

Maybe someone should ask him/her/them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2014 11.11pm)

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 10.47pm

Quote Lombardos barber at 13 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Jul 2014 7.20pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 13 Jul 2014 6.54pm

Yeah but you also shouldn't be surprised if people get really f**ked off either - Its a symbol, and symbols have profound effects on people. Its a shame because its one of the most beautiful flags ever produced.


People have the right to be offended but not the right to deny a person to express (within reason).....Whatever it is they are expressing.

If someone believes in a southern state independence for example the confederate flag could be a good symbol for that.

It would of course help if those using a 'controversial' flag also made it clear what they stand for.

What a ridiculous comment from someone with no knowledge of history.

Im not a fan of liberals and generally am far from PC but that flag has such appalling conotations that it shouldnt be glossed over as a "personal choice" issue.

Is it a fair one to wave a Swastika if, along the lines of what you said, someone believed in a Austria German union but wasnt really a fan of the Holocaust?

As someone who has served alongside many Americans, there is a lot of denial over how bad the lot of Black people was in the US, especially during the time of slavery.

We should not welcome that kind of symbolism at Selhurst. Millwall, Chelsea, Leeds, Rangers etc can have it.

Edited by Lombardos barber (13 Jul 2014 8.34pm)

Oh dear.

Yeah, no knowledge of history mate. Strange how I've taught the subject in schools isn't it.

Did you read the series of posts? Or is your knee jerking?

The Swastika doesn't represent a German/Austria union by the way. It represents either the Nazis, modern far right groups by chosen association or as an ancient symbol sometimes used by several different cultures. The WW2 union between German and Austria is not its purpose.

That is an action the Nazis took, not the purpose of the flag.

The confederate flag does represent a union of southern states.....That's its original meaning and purpose. As that union was defeated in the civil war its usage by people now falls under several different guises.

So your analogy is wrong.....In fact it's quite annoying.

The confederate flag has been used by people who aren't racists and by those that are....It is down to context. The fact that some people can't move away from its association with slavery is their problem.

Britain practiced slavery under the union jack flag.....Should we associate that? Oh and the Dutch flag and so on.

It's a sodding flag....And people use it to mean what they want it to mean......A lot of Americans in the south use it to distance themselves from the US government.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2014 10.53pm)

The flag is all about white supremacy and your denial of the reality of this symbol does not change the fact that millions are reminded of their painful histories when they see it.

 

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Quote kersal at 13 Jul 2014 11.14pm

The flag is all about white supremacy and your denial of the reality of this symbol does not change the fact that millions are reminded of their painful histories when they see it.


It's about white supremacy is it?

So all the people who use the confederate flag are white supremacists then.....So the Duke of Hazards TV show was about a couple of white supremacists. The black chap who carries it about in America is also a white supremacist then.

I didn't deny that some people use it for racist reasons. You just haven't been bothered to read.

 


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