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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 11 May 15 2.06pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Tricky one this. I am not happy with the outcome of the election and believe it is a democratic right for people to protest in order to focus on certain issues.

I do not believe that rioting and desecrating war memorials will achieve that aim.

Likewise, when a black man dies in police custody something wrong has happened. There is a democratic right for people to express their views in order to encourage a change of police practise and procedure etc.

There is no democratic right to use the unlawful death at police hands of an innocent man to smash shop windows and steal plasma tellies, I-phones and sports wear.

I think the word I am looking for is hijacking.

 

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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 11 May 15 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 May 2015 10.42am

Quote Pussay Patrol at 10 May 2015 10.10am

Maybe their real angst is they don't have a party that represents them?

The fact that people in the Labour party are cut from the same cloth and just have modern liberal ideals.

If there is such great disillusionment Why doesn't a new socialist party evolve that fights for jobs, minimum wage, social housing, Education, student rights and fees, benefits. everyday Things that resonate with poor, ordinary people? Instead they get the Labour party. That's what they should fight for rather than the boring 'tories out' cliche

Because of the cost of campaigning in rigged elections, where 7.7% of the vote returns 8 seats, 12% returns 1 seat, and a 6% difference means a difference of other 100 seats.

Anyone who thinks the British system is really democratic, fair, impartial and representative of the people is deluded.


Wasn't there a referendum on keeping it or changing to PR only 18months or so ago...seems perfectly democratic to me

 


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View dannyb1's Profile dannyb1 Flag Chichester 11 May 15 2.52pm Send a Private Message to dannyb1 Add dannyb1 as a friend

This won't be the last rally/protest you will see in the next 5 years in this country I believe.

 

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Quote Lyons550 at 11 May 2015 2.23pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 May 2015 10.42am

Quote Pussay Patrol at 10 May 2015 10.10am

Maybe their real angst is they don't have a party that represents them?

The fact that people in the Labour party are cut from the same cloth and just have modern liberal ideals.

If there is such great disillusionment Why doesn't a new socialist party evolve that fights for jobs, minimum wage, social housing, Education, student rights and fees, benefits. everyday Things that resonate with poor, ordinary people? Instead they get the Labour party. That's what they should fight for rather than the boring 'tories out' cliche

Because of the cost of campaigning in rigged elections, where 7.7% of the vote returns 8 seats, 12% returns 1 seat, and a 6% difference means a difference of other 100 seats.

Anyone who thinks the British system is really democratic, fair, impartial and representative of the people is deluded.


Wasn't there a referendum on keeping it or changing to PR only 18months or so ago...seems perfectly democratic to me


Sadly, no there wasn't. There was a fererendum on changing to AV - which is a completely sh*t system, and not PR at all

 

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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 11 May 15 3.20pm Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Everyone has a right to protest, and I'm glad a lot of the protesters seemed young as at least it shows that some youngsters have an interest in political issues.

The desecration of the war memorial is disgusting. No if's or buts.

 


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imbored Flag UK 11 May 15 3.31pm

Quote npn at 11 May 2015 3.17pm

Quote Lyons550 at 11 May 2015 2.23pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 May 2015 10.42am

Quote Pussay Patrol at 10 May 2015 10.10am

Maybe their real angst is they don't have a party that represents them?

The fact that people in the Labour party are cut from the same cloth and just have modern liberal ideals.

If there is such great disillusionment Why doesn't a new socialist party evolve that fights for jobs, minimum wage, social housing, Education, student rights and fees, benefits. everyday Things that resonate with poor, ordinary people? Instead they get the Labour party. That's what they should fight for rather than the boring 'tories out' cliche

Because of the cost of campaigning in rigged elections, where 7.7% of the vote returns 8 seats, 12% returns 1 seat, and a 6% difference means a difference of other 100 seats.

Anyone who thinks the British system is really democratic, fair, impartial and representative of the people is deluded.


Wasn't there a referendum on keeping it or changing to PR only 18months or so ago...seems perfectly democratic to me


Sadly, no there wasn't. There was a fererendum on changing to AV - which is a completely sh*t system, and not PR at all

True and as highlighted before the campaign to kill it off was deplorable.

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imbored Flag UK 11 May 15 3.31pm

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View dannyh's Profile dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 11 May 15 3.54pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Questions for lefties among us.

Why is there never any riots when Labour win an election?

Why did the trustafarians riot when no such cuts to welfare have been sanctioned or passed through the house?

Why wasnt there the same criticism of the electoral system last time Labour won ?

And finally has anyone got a picture of Ed Ball's face when he heard he had lost his seat, just for my own amusement.

 


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imbored Flag UK 11 May 15 4.05pm

Quote dannyh at 11 May 2015 3.54pm

Questions for lefties among us.

Why wasnt there the same criticism of the electoral system last time Labour won ?

With support from both Lib Dems and UKIP for electoral reform it's a cross party issue that has started to rear its head more on account of the diminishing percentage of the vote the major two parties return. It's quite stark. Check it out.


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derben Flag 11 May 15 4.11pm

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Quote dannyh at 11 May 2015 3.54pm

Questions for lefties among us.

Why wasnt there the same criticism of the electoral system last time Labour won ?

With support from both Lib Dems and UKIP for electoral reform it's a cross party issue that has started to rear its head more on account of the diminishing percentage of the vote the major two parties return. It's quite stark. Check it out.


So the 'protestors' with their Socialist Worker placards are out on the street because of the lack of proportional representation in the electoral system?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 May 15 4.16pm

Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.11pm

Quote imbored at 11 May 2015 4.05pm

Quote dannyh at 11 May 2015 3.54pm

Questions for lefties among us.

Why wasnt there the same criticism of the electoral system last time Labour won ?

With support from both Lib Dems and UKIP for electoral reform it's a cross party issue that has started to rear its head more on account of the diminishing percentage of the vote the major two parties return. It's quite stark. Check it out.


So the 'protestors' with their Socialist Worker placards are out on the street because of the lack of proportional representation in the electoral system?


You obviously didn't read my post stating that it was an anti austerity demo. Selective reading, a bit like another poster.

Just like your doppelganger you ask trite questions that you know the answer to.

 

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imbored Flag UK 11 May 15 4.18pm

Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.11pm

Quote imbored at 11 May 2015 4.05pm

Quote dannyh at 11 May 2015 3.54pm

Questions for lefties among us.

Why wasnt there the same criticism of the electoral system last time Labour won ?

With support from both Lib Dems and UKIP for electoral reform it's a cross party issue that has started to rear its head more on account of the diminishing percentage of the vote the major two parties return. It's quite stark. Check it out.


So the 'protestors' with their Socialist Worker placards are out on the street because of the lack of proportional representation in the electoral system?


I didn't say that at all and I have no affinity for this bunch anyway. Even if it was a peaceful protest, which it wasn't, the timing is self indulgent and it attracted disruptive elements.

Someone brought up PR and I'm highlighting how it's a cross party issue. I know talking about aspects of commonality isn't popular here, but I presented facts and people can make of them what they will.

 

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