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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Mar 20 12.45am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Go to bed, you read like you need the sleep.

Thank you for your concern. Could be the 15 hour days 7 days a week trying to keep1700 over 55s safe.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Thank you for your concern. Could be the 15 hour days 7 days a week trying to keep1700 over 55s safe.

I'm sure you moaning on Hol will help.

I preferred it when you were storming the Iranian embassy back in 80.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Thank you for your concern. Could be the 15 hour days 7 days a week trying to keep1700 over 55s safe.

So where were your contingency plans if you knew this was coming for 20 years. You had a duty of care to your clients and clearly failed and now want to blame someone. Where are your masks,aprons and ventilators for this 'known' pandemic. Have you got enough sanitizer and other cleaners. Any chance you have copy or your 'pandemic' procedures (in case of) that you can link. Site specific outbreaks you will have as all homes do but as we all know this is not one of those. I doubt you have so shouting from the rooftops about how bad the government have done should really be a whisper into your dictaphone. "Must try harder".

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Mar 20 10.21am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So where were your contingency plans if you knew this was coming for 20 years. You had a duty of care to your clients and clearly failed and now want to blame someone. Where are your masks,aprons and ventilators for this 'known' pandemic. Have you got enough sanitizer and other cleaners. Any chance you have copy or your 'pandemic' procedures (in case of) that you can link. Site specific outbreaks you will have as all homes do but as we all know this is not one of those. I doubt you have so shouting from the rooftops about how bad the government have done should really be a whisper into your dictaphone. "Must try harder".

I wrote them years ago for another organisation. I only recently joined this one. We had contingency plans that relied on local authority plans. Their plans assumed the NHS would deliver its part. The NHS plans presumably assumed the Government would not drop the ball. The only way to plan is in an integrated way.

So itís our fault the promised PPE didnít arrive? Beyond a joke.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

That just means nothing

Try getting some facts. I suggest The Kings Fund as a good place to start.

There is nothing factual about The Kings Fund.

Itís a left wing think tank.

Bless you, your naivety is adorable

 


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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

There is nothing factual about The Kings Fund.

Itís a left wing think tank.

Bless you, your naivety is adorable

Where the hell did you Ďlearní that? You are wrong.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 29 Mar 20 12.30pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I wrote them years ago for another organisation. I only recently joined this one. We had contingency plans that relied on local authority plans. Their plans assumed the NHS would deliver its part. The NHS plans presumably assumed the Government would not drop the ball. The only way to plan is in an integrated way.

So itís our fault the promised PPE didnít arrive? Beyond a joke.

You didnt use the 6 p's then maple.
Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance.
You can actually plan independently and stock up for a 1 in a 100 year problem. I doubt your accountant or budget would allow it so that goes right to the top with similar issues. Even governments have to have budgets you know.
Its not all about you!

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Mar 20 12.34pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

You didnt use the 6 p's then maple.
Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance.
You can actually plan independently and stock up for a 1 in a 100 year problem. I doubt your accountant or budget would allow it so that goes right to the top with similar issues. Even governments have to have budgets you know.
Its not all about you!

Government policy was to emasculate our business which is charitable. It required us to take a reduction in income of 12% over the past four years to pay for its austerity strategy, despite the costs rocketing due to the minimum wage rises. As a result there was no hope we could prepare properly for this risk. We were too busy using any reserves we had to pay for our Grenfell response.

Edited by Mapletree (29 Mar 2020 12.44pm)

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Government policy was to emasculate our business which is charitable. It required us to take a reduction in income of 12% over the past four years to pay for its austerity strategy, despite the costs rocketing due to the minimum wage rises. As a result there was no hope we could prepare properly for this risk. We were too busy using any reserves we had to pay for our Grenfell response.

Edited by Mapletree (29 Mar 2020 12.44pm)

So you agree you should have tried to secure extra PPE knowing this was a potential. You did say that.
Also if you look around the guess would be you may have wasted money on glam projects which wernt necessarily required. However small that outlay.
Hindsight is wonderful maple. The government on any given day has enough ventilators and beds, nationwide I mean, not picking a certain hospital because there are issues in the surrounding areas.
What I have noticed is that chavs havent been plotting up in A and E 4 times a week because they are drunk or stoned. Proves the wasted time prior to this event. Same with police. The NHS and police football will go back to being kicked around when this is over though even with proven figures that lots of its use is unnecessary.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Mar 20 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So you agree you should have tried to secure extra PPE knowing this was a potential. You did say that.
Also if you look around the guess would be you may have wasted money on glam projects which wernt necessarily required. However small that outlay.
Hindsight is wonderful maple. The government on any given day has enough ventilators and beds, nationwide I mean, not picking a certain hospital because there are issues in the surrounding areas.
What I have noticed is that chavs havent been plotting up in A and E 4 times a week because they are drunk or stoned. Proves the wasted time prior to this event. Same with police. The NHS and police football will go back to being kicked around when this is over though even with proven figures that lots of its use is unnecessary.

No. Our preparations were based upon firm promises, for example of PPE being provided through the local authorities. You canít deflect the dreadful Government response onto others although no doubt Government will try

And no vanity projects, what a dumb assertion. I told you, Government had removed 12% of our income already putting at risk the old people we care for

And the awful mixed messages in response to Grenfell made us pay for unnecessary changes.

So no, we did all we could. Blame lies elsewhere

And, as with everything else, the Government gambled on the absolute minimum of ventilators and all other services in pursuit of its political goals against the advice and the opposition views. Now that gamble has been shown to be lethal. I donít expect any contrition, or even real signs of caring

Edited by Mapletree (29 Mar 2020 1.42pm)

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

No. Our preparations were based upon firm promises, for example of PPE being provided through the local authorities. You canít deflect the dreadful Government response onto others although no doubt Government will try

And no vanity projects, what a dumb assertion. I told you, Government had removed 12% of our income already putting at risk the old people we care for

And the awful mixed messages in response to Grenfell made us pay for unnecessary changes.

So no, we did all we could. Blame lies elsewhere

And, as with everything else, the Government gambled on the absolute minimum of ventilators and all other services in pursuit of its political goals against the advice and the opposition views. Now that gamble has been shown to be lethal. I donít expect any contrition, or even real signs of caring

Edited by Mapletree (29 Mar 2020 1.42pm)

Real signs of caring!
Strange considering the world and its wife are being looked after financially,to a minimum but not caring is harsh. Stopping people dying who are close to a natural death anyway.
Weird but maybe your caring is different to mine.
Or because you didnt get your PPE.

 

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View doi209's Profile doi209 Flag Fighting for the weak and innocent... 29 Mar 20 4.52pm Send a Private Message to doi209 Add doi209 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Real signs of caring!
Strange considering the world and its wife are being looked after financially,to a minimum but not caring is harsh. Stopping people dying who are close to a natural death anyway.
Weird but maybe your caring is different to mine.
Or because you didnt get your PPE.

I thought the deadline for PPE was last August. No my mistake, that was PPI.

Maybe the ambulance chasers will start TV advertising for 'did you fail to get PPE ?'

 

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