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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Aug 15 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted.

Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on.

Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.

 


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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 24 Aug 15 5.01pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm

It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted.

Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on.

Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.

Is Legaleagle a Yale or Harvard graduate?

 


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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 24 Aug 15 5.26pm

Simple answer. You are not a refugee until you have been assessed and it is agreed that you meet the definition of refugee. Until then you are an asylum seeker.
You are only a refugee if you have a well founded fear of persecution in your home country. You are obliged to claim asylum in the first safe country you get to.
If you are getting out of a war zone your situation may be complex. It may be that you certainly have grounds to be afraid but are not being persecuted. It may also be that you can simply move to a different part of the country where there is less danger. Then there are other complications if the basis of your fear is that you have committed criminal acts or war crimes. What may be a war crime to one person may be an act of resistance to another.
The vast majority of applicants do not qualify as refugees but are often allowed to stay because it is dangerous to return them to their home country. It is reasonable to call them migrants.

 


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View Jamesrichards8's Profile Jamesrichards8 Flag 24 Aug 15 5.33pm Send a Private Message to Jamesrichards8 Add Jamesrichards8 as a friend

Well, these people, as true 'refugees' wouldn't be allowed to pick and choose which country they seek asylum in. They are in France, and other non-violent countries, yet seek asylum elsewhere. Refugees seek refuge in the first peaceful country they enter.
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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Aug 15 5.38pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.33pm

Well, these people, as true 'refugees' wouldn't be allowed to pick and choose which country they seek asylum in. They are in France, and other non-violent countries, yet seek asylum elsewhere. Refugees seek refuge in the first peaceful country they enter.
I've got to get off this site. The liberal bulls*** is doing my head in.
Cue some sarcastic reply applauding my decision to leave. Gee this site has really gotten boring.


But Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in the 1930's went all over and didn't just end up next door in Poland or France and they weren't called migrants. if you are genuinely fleeing a war or murderous persecution wherever you end up surely you are still a refugee and not a migrant.

It is the manipulation of language that is interesting and our subservience to it.

 


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View Stuk's Profile Stuk Flag Top half 24 Aug 15 5.52pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

They aren't.

 


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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 24 Aug 15 5.52pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.33pm

Well, these people, as true 'refugees' wouldn't be allowed to pick and choose which country they seek asylum in. They are in France, and other non-violent countries, yet seek asylum elsewhere. Refugees seek refuge in the first peaceful country they enter.
I've got to get off this site. The liberal bulls*** is doing my head in.
Cue some sarcastic reply applauding my decision to leave. Gee this site has really gotten boring.


But Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in the 1930's went all over and didn't just end up next door in Poland or France and they weren't called migrants. if you are genuinely fleeing a war or murderous persecution wherever you end up surely you are still a refugee and not a migrant.

It is the manipulation of language that is interesting and our subservience to it.


Think there is a slight difference there Kerms,seeing as Nazi Germany extended most of Europe.
Poland /France/Holland/Austria/Italy all under Nazi rule.
The Jews were being Hunted all over Europe by the nazi, the Migrants/Refugees are not.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Aug 15 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Surely you are both if you are fleeing danger.
Migration is a more general term to cover anyone moving from one place to another.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Aug 15 5.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

By virtue of our location in Europe we should get very few actual refugees.

Unless they have family here then they should be taking the first safe country.....though there are some reasonable exceptions to this.

Bleeding hearts would like this country to pay for the provision and housing of foreigners when we haven't sorted out the problems of our own population.

 


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View radsyrendot's Profile radsyrendot Flag From Coventry now in Leicester 24 Aug 15 5.59pm Send a Private Message to radsyrendot Add radsyrendot as a friend

In post office today 2 lads came in from Kosovo with 2 envelopes of £20 notes doing a money transfer back to there homeland 1 stayed 1 went out postmistress asked questions ie where he lived work his mate couldn't answer her she told him to tell friend to come back in he never other lad told her where he lived and his job as a cleaner
£4300 he sent back .....w***ers

 

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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 24 Aug 15 6.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.38pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 24 Aug 2015 5.33pm

Well, these people, as true 'refugees' wouldn't be allowed to pick and choose which country they seek asylum in. They are in France, and other non-violent countries, yet seek asylum elsewhere. Refugees seek refuge in the first peaceful country they enter.
I've got to get off this site. The liberal bulls*** is doing my head in.
Cue some sarcastic reply applauding my decision to leave. Gee this site has really gotten boring.[/quote


But Jewish refugees from Nazi Germany in the 1930's went all over and didn't just end up next door in Poland or France and they weren't called migrants. if you are genuinely fleeing a war or murderous persecution wherever you end up surely you are still a refugee and not a migrant.

It is the manipulation of language that is interesting and our subservience to it.

It is entirely possible that the media are manipulating language but the expressions used officially are based on statute and conventions. Some expressions are used wrongly by the media such as deportation - which has a very precise meaning in law. The expressions such as illegal immigrant have bad connotations because of the way they were used as euphemisms in the 60s. Illegal immigrant is actually a reasonable description of someone who has entered the UK without permission.
What is a poorer use of language is to label someone a refugee without knowing anything about their motives.

 


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Quote radsyrendot at 24 Aug 2015 5.59pm

In post office today 2 lads came in from Kosovo with 2 envelopes of £20 notes doing a money transfer back to there homeland 1 stayed 1 went out postmistress asked questions ie where he lived work his mate couldn't answer her she told him to tell friend to come back in he never other lad told her where he lived and his job as a cleaner
£4300 he sent back .....w***ers


Yep a foreign worker is a poor economic substitute for a British one.

The pro-immigration surveys that your typical pro economic immigrant lefty quotes at you don't of course take account of the significant amount of money that is sent out of this country.

A working class British worker is far less likely to do that.

 


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