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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Oct 15 7.25am
[Link] 1) "because they might die before the next election so can't vote." 2) "because they will probably forget who did it to them" What a delightful group. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Kermit8

Hevon 05 Oct 15 7.25am

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1) "because they might die before the next election so can't vote."

2) "because they will probably forget who did it to them"

What a delightful group.

Big chest and massive boobs

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leggedstruggle Croydon 05 Oct 15 8.59am
Alan Sugar gets the winter fuel allowance - is that a sensible use of tax-payers' money? mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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leggedstruggle

Croydon 05 Oct 15 8.59am

Alan Sugar gets the winter fuel allowance - is that a sensible use of tax-payers' money?

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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Catfish Burgess Hill 05 Oct 15 9.05am
It appears to be OK to means test pensioners for benefits but also OK to tax them on their property "wealth" whether or not they have the ability to pay. The Tories look set to take on that Lib Dem idea which will mean a person who has an expensive house but little income will be forced to sell up. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Catfish

Burgess Hill 05 Oct 15 9.05am

It appears to be OK to means test pensioners for benefits but also OK to tax them on their property "wealth" whether or not they have the ability to pay. The Tories look set to take on that Lib Dem idea which will mean a person who has an expensive house but little income will be forced to sell up.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Oct 15 9.33am
Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth. In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too. I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing. I actually fail to see why they are exempt from National Insurance payments (even when they are still working), they take so much out of the system it's hard to understand why they should consider that they have 'already paid their dues'.
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Oct 15 9.33am

Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth.

In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too.

I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing.

I actually fail to see why they are exempt from National Insurance payments (even when they are still working), they take so much out of the system it's hard to understand why they should consider that they have 'already paid their dues'.

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matt_himself Matataland 05 Oct 15 9.35am
Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 7.25am [Link] 1) "because they might die before the next election so can't vote." 2) "because they will probably forget who did it to them" What a delightful group. What an unintelligent post. Pensioners are the richest age group in the country. Benefits are universal and not means tested, as a result the poorest pensioners get the same as those who go on regular cruises. The fact is that that universal benefits for pensioners is not fair. The system needs reviewing and change. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 05 Oct 15 9.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 7.25am

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1) "because they might die before the next election so can't vote."

2) "because they will probably forget who did it to them"

What a delightful group.

What an unintelligent post.

Pensioners are the richest age group in the country. Benefits are universal and not means tested, as a result the poorest pensioners get the same as those who go on regular cruises.

The fact is that that universal benefits for pensioners is not fair. The system needs reviewing and change.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.� - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Oct 15 9.49am
Quote matt_himself at 05 Oct 2015 9.35am Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 7.25am [Link] 1) "because they might die before the next election so can't vote." 2) "because they will probably forget who did it to them" What a delightful group. What an unintelligent post. Pensioners are the richest age group in the country. Benefits are universal and not means tested, as a result the poorest pensioners get the same as those who go on regular cruises. The fact is that that universal benefits for pensioners is not fair. The system needs reviewing and change. Curiously that's what every government of my life seems to have said, and still they're doing it. Of course not everyone in old age fits into that 'richest age group' by any means (its also a group in which there is a lot of outliers that distort the main). Certainly some people are in a position where they don't need the benefit, but if history has taught me anything, they'll be the ones that aren't really affected. After all these people in the most have spent their life paying tax, only to then have benefits they have paid for, cut. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 05 Oct 15 9.49am

Quote matt_himself at 05 Oct 2015 9.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 7.25am

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1) "because they might die before the next election so can't vote."

2) "because they will probably forget who did it to them"

What a delightful group.

What an unintelligent post.

Pensioners are the richest age group in the country. Benefits are universal and not means tested, as a result the poorest pensioners get the same as those who go on regular cruises.

The fact is that that universal benefits for pensioners is not fair. The system needs reviewing and change.

Curiously that's what every government of my life seems to have said, and still they're doing it.

Of course not everyone in old age fits into that 'richest age group' by any means (its also a group in which there is a lot of outliers that distort the main). Certainly some people are in a position where they don't need the benefit, but if history has taught me anything, they'll be the ones that aren't really affected.

After all these people in the most have spent their life paying tax, only to then have benefits they have paid for, cut.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Oct 15 9.49am
Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 9.33am Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth. In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too. I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing. I actually fail to see why they are exempt from National Insurance payments (even when they are still working), they take so much out of the system it's hard to understand why they should consider that they have 'already paid their dues'. The politic of envy. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 05 Oct 15 9.49am

Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 9.33am

Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth.

In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too.

I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing.

The politic of envy.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Oct 15 9.58am
1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK. Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot? And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank. Still they will be dead soon. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Oct 15 9.58am

1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK.

Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot?

And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank.

Still they will be dead soon.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Oct 15 10.03am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Oct 2015 9.49am Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 9.33am Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth. In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too. I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing. I actually fail to see why they are exempt from National Insurance payments (even when they are still working), they take so much out of the system it's hard to understand why they should consider that they have 'already paid their dues'. The politic of envy. Complete nonsense. As it happens I am on the edge of being in this group. You tell me why you don't pay NIC if you work after retirement age Jamie. You tell me why it's fair that our housing stock, especially in London, is completely tied up by older people who - uniquely - happened to buy before a boom. Young people are the ones that get screwed every time. They will never get anything like what this group got. The pensioner generation is sitting on massive, unpaid for, benefits and taking daily from the pockets of the coming generations. If it's the politics of envy, does that mean you think we can all get the benefits this group has had? Not likely is it. But of course this group is untouchable and makes sure its voice is heard by politicians who rarely dare touch it.
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Oct 15 10.03am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Oct 2015 9.49am

Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 9.33am

Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth.

In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too.

I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing.

The politic of envy.

Complete nonsense. As it happens I am on the edge of being in this group. You tell me why you don't pay NIC if you work after retirement age Jamie. You tell me why it's fair that our housing stock, especially in London, is completely tied up by older people who - uniquely - happened to buy before a boom. Young people are the ones that get screwed every time. They will never get anything like what this group got. The pensioner generation is sitting on massive, unpaid for, benefits and taking daily from the pockets of the coming generations.

If it's the politics of envy, does that mean you think we can all get the benefits this group has had? Not likely is it. But of course this group is untouchable and makes sure its voice is heard by politicians who rarely dare touch it.

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Hoof Hearted 05 Oct 15 10.05am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Oct 2015 9.49am Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 9.33am Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth. In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too. I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing. I actually fail to see why they are exempt from National Insurance payments (even when they are still working), they take so much out of the system it's hard to understand why they should consider that they have 'already paid their dues'. The politic of envy. Absolutely... he trots this bile filled diatribe out every time someone mentions pensioners. I agree with others who quite rightly call for a review of pensioner benefits to be means tested. I will not be a pensioner for another 6 years by then I expect fee bus passes to have gone, but I wouldn't have applied for one anyway as I can transport myself.
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Hoof Hearted 05 Oct 15 10.05am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 05 Oct 2015 9.49am

Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 9.33am

Protected, cossetted group sitting fat and happy on final salary pension schemes that they didn't pay nearly enough for and massive housing equity growth.

In the very pleasant position of being able to dole out their largesse to the coming generation as they see fit, maintaining control over them. And they can avoid inheritance tax if they do that too.

I see no reason they should get special treatment either way but I would err on the side of redistribution of wealth rather than giving them free bus journeys and fuel benefits without means testing.

The politic of envy.

Absolutely... he trots this bile filled diatribe out every time someone mentions pensioners.

I agree with others who quite rightly call for a review of pensioner benefits to be means tested.

I will not be a pensioner for another 6 years by then I expect fee bus passes to have gone, but I wouldn't have applied for one anyway as I can transport myself.

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Oct 15 10.11am
Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 9.58am 1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK. Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot? And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank. Still they will be dead soon. So why would anyone object if the other 11 million are asked to help look after them? When their final salary pension plans were designed they were living 20 years less. People in their 50s retired on 40 60th schemes, how come that group doesn't have to work and earns two thirds what they earned when they were working. No overheads, mortgages paid off, no travel to work costs. And those with these pensions ducked austerity altogether despite their pension legacies crippling both the public and private sectors. Look at the average age of those taking holiday cruises. A sea-anchor to the progress of the working man or woman.
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Oct 15 10.11am

Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 9.58am

1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK.

Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot?

And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank.

Still they will be dead soon.

So why would anyone object if the other 11 million are asked to help look after them? When their final salary pension plans were designed they were living 20 years less. People in their 50s retired on 40 60th schemes, how come that group doesn't have to work and earns two thirds what they earned when they were working. No overheads, mortgages paid off, no travel to work costs. And those with these pensions ducked austerity altogether despite their pension legacies crippling both the public and private sectors. Look at the average age of those taking holiday cruises. A sea-anchor to the progress of the working man or woman.

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 Oct 15 10.17am
Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 10.11am Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 9.58am 1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK. Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot? And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank. Still they will be dead soon. So why would anyone object if the other 11 million are asked to help look after them? When their final salary pension plans were designed they were living 20 years less. People in their 50s retired on 40 60th schemes, how come that group doesn't have to work and earns two thirds what they earned when they were working. No overheads, mortgages paid off, no travel to work costs. And those with these pensions ducked austerity altogether despite their pension legacies crippling both the public and private sectors. Look at the average age of those taking holiday cruises. A sea-anchor to the progress of the working man or woman. I am not disagreeing. My initial post with the quotes was to highlight a frankly disgusting attitude and a potential attack on the poor, the sick and not well off again for which this government has indecent form. There was no mention of means testing by the think tank which leads me to believe they want all pensioners to take a hit. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 Oct 15 10.17am

Quote Mapletree at 05 Oct 2015 10.11am

Quote Kermit8 at 05 Oct 2015 9.58am

1.6million pensioners are living with very little money and in poverty in the UK.

Cosseted? Wealthy? This lot?

And no mention of their benefits being protected by this odious Tory Tax Alliance Think Tank.

Still they will be dead soon.

I am not disagreeing. My initial post with the quotes was to highlight a frankly disgusting attitude and a potential attack on the poor, the sick and not well off again for which this government has indecent form.

There was no mention of means testing by the think tank which leads me to believe they want all pensioners to take a hit.

Big chest and massive boobs

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