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 susmik  PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 27 Apr 16 8.49am |
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Most of the doctors on strike have not even bothered to read the whole new contract through as one of them admitted yesterday. They have a great deal on the table and better than they could have ever expected. They are like a lot of sheep and doing just what the union and BMA wanted. Shame on them.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 27 Apr 16 9.29am |
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Originally posted by susmik
I am afraid they have been brainwashed by the unions in that they thought the government would go along with their demands but it has turned out that they either accept the deal or leave.... We shall see just how many do leave their well paid jobs shall we not. You have your views and I have mine which we are BOTH entitled to have. If you are talking brainwashing....you seem to be pontificating on a subject you know next to nothing about seemingly based on what newspaper you are reading. What Hunt is essentially doing is this. He wants longer 'NHS' hours in this drive for 24/7 healthcare. A good thing on the face of it. Junior doctors, who already do the most ridiculously long shift are being asked to work more hours for more money rather than the Government recruit more junior doctors. That means less breaks and downtime between shifts. Now if these guys were making car parts or condoms not an issue - they aren't, they are looking after and making decisions that could mean life or death - literally. A very bad thing End game for Hunt and all the other MP's and Lords who have significant investments in private healthcare companies - Junior doctors wont do it so it allows a part privatisation. A very very bad thing.
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Kermit8  Hevon 27 Apr 16 9.41am |
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This was posted up on social media by a fella named Nick Goodchild the other day. Sums it up really. "So, I spend a lot of time supporting other patients/NHS workers. This one's a personal post. I got in today - the eve of the junior doctors all-out walkout - to find this letter from the hospital. My ten-month wait to see a doctor has been put back by another 8 months. Yes you read that right. Another EIGHT MONTHS. By then it will by 18 months since I was referred. The guidelines say it should be 3 months. I am still having uncontrolled seizures. Mr Hunt, if you cannot currently get me appointment within 18 months to see a doctor for uncontrolled epilepsy, could you advise to me how long it might take if you spread the same number of doctors out over seven days instead of five, with no extra funding? (PS: the answer is well over 2 years). Mr Hunt - Do I want a Saturday or Sunday appointment with my epilepsy doctor? No. Do I want an appointment within 18 months? I don't seriously think I need to answer that question. Do I support the junior doctors? Damn right I do!!! Mr Hunt - it's time for you to leave. Give the NHS back to the doctors who know how to manage it."
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| johnfirewall 27 Apr 16 9.55am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I thought the managers on 6 figure salaries managed it, badly and always have done. Wouldn't trust the doctors either if they refuse to read contracts and cite safety concerns. There's a marked decrease in your chances of survival on a weekend which Hunt is trying to resolve. He's budgeting for that by evening out the pay over 7 days.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 27 Apr 16 10.29am |
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The strike explained
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Attachment: | Kermit8 Hevon 27 Apr 16 10.32am |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
I thought the managers on 6 figure salaries managed it, badly and always have done. Wouldn't trust the doctors either if they refuse to read contracts and cite safety concerns. There's a marked decrease in your chances of survival on a weekend which Hunt is trying to resolve. He's budgeting for that by evening out the pay over 7 days. They have been around for a while but not always. Seem to remember the whole big fat cat suit Management thing evolving from the mid eighties and into the nineties and up to today.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Apr 16 10.43am |
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I'm concerned that high calibre students decide against 7 years study because of this. If 50% of current Junior Doctors are considering emigrating it's enough to put you off it in this country.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 27 Apr 16 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by The Sash
If you are talking brainwashing....you seem to be pontificating on a subject you know next to nothing about seemingly based on what newspaper you are reading. What Hunt is essentially doing is this. He wants longer 'NHS' hours in this drive for 24/7 healthcare. A good thing on the face of it. Junior doctors, who already do the most ridiculously long shift are being asked to work more hours for more money rather than the Government recruit more junior doctors. That means less breaks and downtime between shifts. Now if these guys were making car parts or condoms not an issue - they aren't, they are looking after and making decisions that could mean life or death - literally. A very bad thing End game for Hunt and all the other MP's and Lords who have significant investments in private healthcare companies - Junior doctors wont do it so it allows a part privatisation. A very very bad thing. Just take a few minutes to read this and you will see the offer on the table is great. They will get extra money all round and their pension is also greatly enhanced. I bet there are quiet a few people would love this sort of offer put to them ......
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| ZIGnZAG Stoke 27 Apr 16 7.12pm |
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Teachers striking was wrong. Doctors striking is actually Sickening, and shows what a sad sad world we live in. At the end of the day it IS all about greed. I personally don't care what kind of deal they get. Half the country probably deserves a better deal. What is completely sickening is the way they are going about it. Basically holding people's health, people's lives hostage for there own personal gain. Disgusting behaviour.
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| Icepick Tony Chester 27 Apr 16 7.45pm |
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Originally posted by ZIGnZAG
Teachers striking was wrong. Doctors striking is actually Sickening, and shows what a sad sad world we live in. At the end of the day it IS all about greed. I personally don't care what kind of deal they get. Half the country probably deserves a better deal. What is completely sickening is the way they are going about it. Basically holding people's health, people's lives hostage for there own personal gain. Disgusting behaviour. It's really not. It's a lot to do with safe working conditions and adequate pay for people who decided they want to spend an awful lot of time studying and learning to save people's lives, for the benefit of you and me. They are basically being walked over by a government who want the NHS privatised so they can make money from it and not have to fund it. If anyone is risking people's lives it's the government by not taking them seriously and thinking about their gain rather than general public health and wellbeing.
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| ZIGnZAG Stoke 27 Apr 16 8.02pm |
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Originally posted by Icepick Tony
It's really not. It's a lot to do with safe working conditions and adequate pay for people who decided they want to spend an awful lot of time studying and learning to save people's lives, for the benefit of you and me. They are basically being walked over by a government who want the NHS privatised so they can make money from it and not have to fund it. If anyone is risking people's lives it's the government by not taking them seriously and thinking about their gain rather than general public health and wellbeing. Feel sorry for me, don't make me laugh. Thankfully I haven't missed out on any medical attention these past two days. You should feel sorry for those that have. These people are prioritising a financial deal over the health care of others, its that simple, and it's that sickening.
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| Icepick Tony Chester 27 Apr 16 8.08pm |
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Originally posted by ZIGnZAG
Feel sorry for me, don't make me laugh. Thankfully I haven't missed out on any medical attention these past two days. You should feel sorry for those that have. These people are prioritising a financial deal over the health care of others, its that simple, and it's that sickening. Well unfortunately that is the only option they have been left with and I'd pretty much guarantee that it was not a decision made lightly. Many people deserve more but I'd put those that actually save people's lives at the top of the pile.
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