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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The UK justice system is based on the premise of innocent until proven guilty and if Johnson told the club that he intended to plead innocent then the club had no grounds to sack him.

I wonder whether everyone here would want Bolasie sacked if he were arrested but insisted that he was innocent

Sunderland have made a series of major errors of judgment, all the more astonishing given that the club's CEO is a solicitor.

What Sunderland should have done immediately after his arrest, in light of the seriousness of the charges and regardless of what they did or didn't know, is suspended Johnson on full pay until the trial. This would be the common HR best practice in such an instance. Furthermore, given that the accuser was one of their supporters who first met Johnson on the club's premises, they also had a duty of care to her (unless you think club's have no responsibility for the well being and safety of their supporters.)

It seems very, very clear that Sunderland simply concluded that they needed Johnson on the pitch to help them avoid relegation and any moral or legal issues be damned.

What adds insult to injury is that they were in possession of all the texts and had an admission from Johnson he had kissed the girl. Whether or not he told them he intended to plead guilty is completely irrelevant; as a solicitor Margaret Byrne must have realised from the text messages that he was almost certain to be found guilty of grooming and as he told the club he had kissed the girl they must have known he would likely be convicted of that charge, whether he pled guilty or not.

Furthermore, once Byrne was aware of that fact she was in a position where, if she had been called as a witness (which was likely had Johnson not changed his plea on the first two counts) she would either have had to admit she knew of his guilt all along or deny it at the risk of perjuring herself (and, thus, being struck off.) Which rather suggests that Johnson's change of plea didn't come as a total surprise to her at all but she'd achieved her purpose (avoiding relegation) by that stage and could then deny everything and push Johnson under the bus. Which Sunderland have duly done.

A truly revolting club -- at least at an executive level. Sam is the perfect fit for them. I feel sorry for the supporters and I, too, am amazed that in view of their actions Sunderland are getting off reasonably lightly. Byrne should have resigned the moment Johnson was convicted and the fact that she is still in her job three days later tells you all you need to know about Ellis Short's moral position.

 


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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 04 Mar 16 12.36pm

Not sure what legal right Sunderland would have to suspend a player on full pay or not if he is saying he is not guilty. If clubs start suspending players because of accusations made against them it could open up a whole minefield. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Sunderland as Fat Sam said last night were willing to back their player as he denied the allegation and he was shocked when he pleaded guilty. As soon as Johnson did that Sunderland sacked him. Not sure why Sunderland are being given bad press Adam Johnson is the guilty party nobody else.

 

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bubble wrap Flag Carparks in South East London 04 Mar 16 12.39pm

Originally posted by collier row eagle

I think he will be getting more than just a "fingering" once he gets inside.

Not like that anymore unfortunatly. Will be banged up in a Sex Offenders wing and often they are single cell. They mix with other scumbags and nobody rarely does anything to them as they lose their privlages. CCTV covers almost everywhere so not even the officers get to have a pop.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Mar 16 1.32pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Blimey, still deliberating on the other and will now accept a majority verdict instead of unanimous.

The other charge required a unanimous verdict

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Mar 16 1.38pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Not like that anymore unfortunatly. Will be banged up in a Sex Offenders wing and often they are single cell. They mix with other scumbags and nobody rarely does anything to them as they lose their privlages. CCTV covers almost everywhere so not even the officers get to have a pop.

I'd be more concerned about being banged up with a load of sex offenders. They strike me as being more prone towards sexual assaults on other prisoners, given the nature of their offences.

In 2014-15 there were 1958 reported assaults in prison and 170 sexual assaults. These were the highest in the last 10 years.

A quarter of the non-sexual assaults recorded were on prison staff - However its worth noting that these are always documented, where as assaults on inmates can often go unreported.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Mar 16 1.41pm

Originally posted by bubble wrap

Not sure what legal right Sunderland would have to suspend a player on full pay or not if he is saying he is not guilty. If clubs start suspending players because of accusations made against them it could open up a whole minefield. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Sunderland as Fat Sam said last night were willing to back their player as he denied the allegation and he was shocked when he pleaded guilty. As soon as Johnson did that Sunderland sacked him. Not sure why Sunderland are being given bad press Adam Johnson is the guilty party nobody else.

I quite agree. Suspending someone on full pay whilst they await trial seems like a punishment on the company. The assumption is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously they should preclude him from working with children during that time, and maybe even restrict promotional work (for their own benefit).

It isn't Sunderland FC fault he's a nonce, its his.

The moment he got to trial, he changed his plea and they sacked him.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Mar 16 1.49pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I think they ought to be docked points for harbouring a kiddie fiddler. It seems a lot worse than going into administration on the grand scheme of things.

I'm just surprised that they found a 15 year old in Sunderland who didn't already have kids.

My girlfriend of the time was at university there, and I made the mistake of going up for a long weekend. Its the worst place I've ever had the misfortune to go - A horrible run down, s**ty scumhole full of proudly ignorant f**kwitted s**tkickers. Its only redeeming features are its 10 minutes to Newcastle by train.

In fact its so s**t the homeless in Sunderland move to Newcastle as soon as they have train fare.

They should be deducted points for away fans having to go there.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 04 Mar 16 1.49pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I quite agree. Suspending someone on full pay whilst they await trial seems like a punishment on the company. The assumption is innocent until proven guilty. Obviously they should preclude him from working with children during that time, and maybe even restrict promotional work (for their own benefit).

It isn't Sunderland FC fault he's a nonce, its his.

The moment he got to trial, he changed his plea and they sacked him.

Haha. True but I don't think it's anyone's fault that they are a nonce. Must be the worst affliction to be born with. Might as well just pur their hands up and get locked away in secure part of the country with no kids or women but just other nonces. A bit like the wall in the game of thrones.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Mar 16 1.58pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Haha. True but I don't think it's anyone's fault that they are a nonce. Must be the worst affliction to be born with. Might as well just pur their hands up and get locked away in secure part of the country with no kids or women but just other nonces. A bit like the wall in the game of thrones.

He's the worst kind of nonce though, most pedophiles probably don't have a choice in being sexually attracted to children - Not Johnson, he seems to have just fancied the girl, knew she was too young and did it anyhow.

Interestingly something that isn't reported, is that there are many paedophiles who don't commit offences and willingly consent to attend therapy and drug treatment programs (including chemical castration programs) - Absurdly its easier to get this treatment after you've been convicted than before you start offending.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 04 Mar 16 2.11pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

He's the worst kind of nonce though, most pedophiles probably don't have a choice in being sexually attracted to children - Not Johnson, he seems to have just fancied the girl, knew she was too young and did it anyhow.

Interestingly something that isn't reported, is that there are many paedophiles who don't commit offences and willingly consent to attend therapy and drug treatment programs (including chemical castration programs) - Absurdly its easier to get this treatment after you've been convicted than before you start offending.

Look, I agree re. Johnson. He doesn't seem to be all there. Shows no emotion and almost doesn't seem bothered about what he is about to face.

It's a dicey subject the whole bacon thing. I look at it more like a mental illness than a straight up crime. To be dealt with by the authorities in the first instance but then handed over to a secure psychiatric unit, that specialises in keeping these people from harming children.
The treatments you mention should be made readily available for the ones that do not want to act out on their urges. It's madness that it isn't made easier for them to do that.

 


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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

Haha. True but I don't think it's anyone's fault that they are a nonce. Must be the worst affliction to be born with. Might as well just pur their hands up and get locked away in secure part of the country with no kids or women but just other nonces. A bit like the wall in the game of thrones.

Got to disagree on that to be honest - as a hetrosexual male, I'm attracted to women, just because I dont get it often (I'm married) it doesn't mean that I will go out and rape someone. Kiddy fiddling is evil, end of - it isn't just about being attracted to children, its about power over weakness and numerous other things - I have literally no sympathy for anyone that acts on those urges. None in the slightest. I admit to sympathy for someone that seeks help and doesn't act on it but that's it.

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 04 Mar 16 3.02pm

Originally posted by Littlebogreek

Got to disagree on that to be honest - as a hetrosexual male, I'm attracted to women, just because I dont get it often (I'm married) it doesn't mean that I will go out and rape someone. Kiddy fiddling is evil, end of - it isn't just about being attracted to children, its about power over weakness and numerous other things - I have literally no sympathy for anyone that acts on those urges. None in the slightest. I admit to sympathy for someone that seeks help and doesn't act on it but that's it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that offending nonces should get
Off lightly. I just think it's a bit of different case and one that needs punishment that is different from more run of the mill crime. A burglar or a dealer shouldn't be thrown into the same place as a nonce is what I think.

I'm very much in the same shoes as you, although not married I am a father and in a relationship with the mother. There are outlets for heterosexual and homosexual people in every walk of life. You could if you wanted(and I'm suggesting this) go and see a brass or have an affair. Both are very commonplace now days. You wouldn't need io go and rape someone unless that's what you wanted to do.

 


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