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View Sedlescombe's Profile Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 27 Oct 16 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Sedlescombe Add Sedlescombe as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Bit of a side note, but its NATO really all that significant in terms of security of the UK anyhow. The UK is a major part of NATO but I've never really seen it as part of UK security but something that's more about European security, to which the UK contributes.

In terms of counter-intelligence and anti-terrorism - The UK is not only well ahead of Europe, its more or less the bench mark. Probably only the Germans come close (domestically very good, internationally less so). The UK is exceptionally good, not so much at 'obtaining intelligence' but at how its distributed throughout the UK security services.

Depends whether you are hapy for Putin to re-form the Soviet Union by "taking back" the Baltic States. Where might his appetite take him then?

 

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View Oliver's Profile Oliver Flag Bodega Bay 27 Oct 16 1.41pm Send a Private Message to Oliver Add Oliver as a friend

Originally posted by Sedlescombe


"Carlos Ghosn, Nissan chief executive, said government "support and assurances" allowed it to decide to make the two new cars in Sunderland"


You MIGHT be right on the other hand the devil is in the detail. Perhaps we are now subsidizing them to do something where we didn't need to before


What are these support and assurances.

The UK tax payer to compensate Nissan if the EU imposes tariffs on car imports?

 


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Originally posted by Oliver


What are these support and assurances.

The UK tax payer to compensate Nissan if the EU imposes tariffs on car imports?


As I recall - and this is off the top of my head - Nissan announced a freeze on investment in Sunderland (and a number of other international companies have done the same) because of uncertainty over Brexit including a concern over freedom of movement - a ban on which they regard as bad for them - and also they wanted guarantees over the increased costs of tariffs (especially as the trio leading negotiations (Davis Johnson and Fox) favour Hard Brexit which would involve trade on WTO terms which allows tariffs.

Suddenly Nissan are happy so they have clearly heard something that removes or mitigates their above concerns. Perhaps leaving the EU means we have taken back control to subsidize profitable Japanese companies but we would need the detail to know. British companies might be wondering what they need to do to get help. Will it just be Japanese car firms and US banks that get to be protected from Brexit

 

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Originally posted by Sedlescombe


As I recall - and this is off the top of my head - Nissan announced a freeze on investment in Sunderland (and a number of other international companies have done the same) because of uncertainty over Brexit including a concern over freedom of movement - a ban on which they regard as bad for them - and also they wanted guarantees over the increased costs of tariffs (especially as the trio leading negotiations (Davis Johnson and Fox) favour Hard Brexit which would involve trade on WTO terms which allows tariffs.

Suddenly Nissan are happy so they have clearly heard something that removes or mitigates their above concerns. Perhaps leaving the EU means we have taken back control to subsidize profitable Japanese companies but we would need the detail to know. British companies might be wondering what they need to do to get help. Will it just be Japanese car firms and US banks that get to be protected from Brexit

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 27 Oct 16 2.39pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

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Slashing corporation tax post Brexit?

 

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carlonoil Flag Naples 27 Oct 16 3.06pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe


As I recall - and this is off the top of my head - Nissan announced a freeze on investment in Sunderland (and a number of other international companies have done the same) because of uncertainty over Brexit including a concern over freedom of movement - a ban on which they regard as bad for them - and also they wanted guarantees over the increased costs of tariffs (especially as the trio leading negotiations (Davis Johnson and Fox) favour Hard Brexit which would involve trade on WTO terms which allows tariffs.

Suddenly Nissan are happy so they have clearly heard something that removes or mitigates their above concerns. Perhaps leaving the EU means we have taken back control to subsidize profitable Japanese companies but we would need the detail to know. British companies might be wondering what they need to do to get help. Will it just be Japanese car firms and US banks that get to be protected from Brexit

Clearly! Really? In your imagination maybe.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Oct 16 3.13pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Since the pound has devalued so much it has made it much cheaper for me to go to Palace this weekend. So thanks, Brexiteers.

 


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View dannyh's Profile dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 27 Oct 16 3.34pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by carlonoil

Creary! Rearry? In your imagination maybe.

edited for cheap laughs.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Oct 16 4.35pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Depends whether you are hapy for Putin to re-form the Soviet Union by "taking back" the Baltic States. Where might his appetite take him then?

Which doesn't affect UK sovereignty or security. Nor did it really help the Ukraine. Neither will NATO act militarily to stop the Russians if they did.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Oct 16 4.42pm

Originally posted by carlonoil

It is not meaningless at all. We cannot manage the country in our own interests while being a member of the EU.

Provided you assume that the Interests of the EU, and the interests of the UK are not aligned, and that the EU does not consist of representation from the UK, which it does (and selected on a basis of proportional representation, which is arguably far more democratic than UK democracy).

Also of course the capacity of the EU to actually pass policy on the UK outside of issues of trade, without the UK's permission and involvement is also fairly negligible, to non-existent. As for the issue of trade decisions, the UK is a voluntary member.

The issue of 'UK being ruled from Brussels' is massively overstated by euro-skeptics, and really not an issue worth the referendum, far bigger and relevant issues, notably around economic migration and UK working classes wage demands were always more significant.

Remember, when it comes to EU policy, the government you voted in, actually agreed to the policy, as did your representatives in the European Parliament.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Oct 16 4.45pm

Originally posted by carlonoil

Nissan just announced they will build two new models in Sunderland - I blame Brexit.

Personally, if I lived in Sunderland, I'd have been taking advantage of the Freedom of Movement to literally work and live anywhere else.

Seriously, why the f**k anyone, given the legal right to live and work anywhere in the EU, would stick to Sunderland or Burnley is completely beyond me. Even the f**king homeless in Sunderland move to Newcastle at the first opportunity!

 


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carlonoil Flag Naples 27 Oct 16 4.55pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Provided you assume that the Interests of the EU, and the interests of the UK are not aligned, and that the EU does not consist of representation from the UK, which it does (and selected on a basis of proportional representation, which is arguably far more democratic than UK democracy).

Also of course the capacity of the EU to actually pass policy on the UK outside of issues of trade, without the UK's permission and involvement is also fairly negligible, to non-existent. As for the issue of trade decisions, the UK is a voluntary member.

The issue of 'UK being ruled from Brussels' is massively overstated by euro-skeptics, and really not an issue worth the referendum, far bigger and relevant issues, notably around economic migration and UK working classes wage demands were always more significant.

Remember, when it comes to EU policy, the government you voted in, actually agreed to the policy, as did your representatives in the European Parliament.

Of course 27 other countries interests are not 'aligned with ours'. Most of our EU representatives are in UKIP and they do not 'agree with EU policy'. The aim of the EU is a United States of Europe so of course their power over member states is significant. The result of the referendum should not be a surprise as time and again we have returned UKIP MEPs in EU elections.

 

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