Ah another one. I forgot to add that

‘The will of the people’

Jesus. Absolute political recycling. Anyway it’s the will of half the people. And again, I’d reckon around 90% of those who voted are morons (note, total vote, both sides, second note, I’m for leaving and respecting the vote).

‘The people’

Christ.

I'd agree that breaking the union power at the time was necessary and privatisation was a boon to the economy at the time, but it was, as always, short termism, and now we are paying the price with high cost of living, house prices and rents unaffordable, energy prices and train fares the highest in Europe and the consumer having less disposable income is why the high street is suffering and we see record levels of consumer debt, a spiral effect

Not sure where you're going with the Gordon Brown example, don't see how that has a knock on effect for ordinary people, would have better to say tax on pensions

Edited by Pussay Patrol (27 Feb 2019 11.18am)

Gold is mostly useless in practice, one of those hedge things.

Churchill was obsessed with it, and totally screwed up the post-WW1 economy.

We do have adequate reserves of it, for what it is worth, Osborne showed it to the Queen a few years ago.

You are better off investing in good infra-structure than hoarding excess gold bars.

Try buying a pizza with one...

More than half or the vote for leave wouldn't have stood, so get your facts straight.

"90 percent morons" how does people exercising their democratic right (that millions have died for) equate to them being morons ? In my opinion that statement is the epitome of irony seeing as it's moronic in the extreme.

As I see it there are 3 "things" that can happen:

1. The amended ( for amended read bullsh1t ) "deal" that May is trying to blackmail her colleagues into accepting gets voted through, presented to the EU and they say "non" and we are back to square one.

2. She loses the vote and we are back to square one with time running out.

3. We go cap in hand to the tits in Brussels and beg like a little child for more time to stay up late as we haven't done our homework. Which puts us back to square one.

Now I voted to leave (NB not a moron/racist/EDL supporter either ..I know shock right). I didn't vote for a half leave, or a bit of a leave, or just be a bit awkward to Brussels for a while. I voted to Leave the EU as did the millions of others.

I think that point has been rather lost, we are so wrapped up in this deal and that deal, hard borders or soft, that we have lost the ideal of what was voted for which was to leave. Simple. No if's no but's LEAVE.

I understand that this MAY affect our trade with Europe and the big banks may be s***ting themselves ( so what i say, lets not forget who is to blame for austerity and the social unrest that followed), however the EU knows that we Import a hell of a lot more than we export, and IF they slap embargoes on trading, the German Car manufactures, the Spanish and French wine markets will suffer, not to mention tourism for countries like Greece and Italy.

Then there is the WTO who have already confirmed they are open for business as far as the UK is concerned.

It MAY get worse before it gets better no one knows for sure. But in time I am certain we will be better off otherwise I wouldn't have voted Leave. I do think remain supporters are being very short sighted and are putting there wants and needs before what is good for the country as a whole.

Lastly you simply can not allow a 2nd referendum just because you didn't like the result. It is an an affront to democracy and simply can not be allowed to happen.

I’m for leaving. A vote is a vote.

I never said you shouldn’t complain, I just think you’re being a little too melodramatic, and very unrealistic. As before I respect your desire to actually do something about your points of view because that’s more than most people bother about (because the reality is they’re too comfortable in their own little lives but won’t admit it) but there is a far greater chance of a second ref not happening than happening. It is not a foregone conclusion. Nowhere near. Even if it does happen, there will not be a mass uprising. Reaction yes, but mass revolt, no. As before, the people that would actually make a difference in a large scale revolt are too comfortable to bother.

I’m personally fed up with the vagueness and platitudes constantly being banded about. Leave means leave, leave in a meaningful way. We voted to leave. All subjective and vacuous with little qualification but always expectation that their version of leaving is the one everyone else wants. Firstly that’s not true. It really annoys me when people assume to speak for 17 million others as though their view is shared, as some form of self assured narcissism.

Also, frankly, unless you’re prepared to do something about it, ask yourself this, who actually gives a f***. And, who actually is going to notice? It’s like abusing the ref from the back of the upper Holmesdale. Completely pointless. If you’re that bothered about it sit front row and make sure he can hear you. Or if you’re you, probably run on the pitch and lamp him (not advised). I’d have more respect for more people if they actually took a pro active stance, relative to the strength of feeling. Or at least admitted otherwise.

Secondly if you were hoping for ‘leave means leave’, ie a no deal brexit, it’s not going to happen. It will be a compromise brexit, just like it was always going to be. Be happy you got half of what you voted for. Doesn’t happen that often!