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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 11.17am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Planned and coordinated like the rest of the thwarting of Brexit. Not a reason still?

Representing their Labour voters would bring no problem. But that’s not the reason is it? Nothing to do with the fact we should’ve left once, going to be twice, had votes on this theee times, but they still won’t allow it to happen. It’s the nasty man Boris and his tongue. He’s why.

The people they represent are feeling disrespected, but hey, who cares about some manual workers in the north, or anybody not feeling the wonderful benefits of the EU.

Those are separate issues to the requests they made yesterday which were so contemptuously dismissed by Johnson.

There is no reason why the differences cannot be debated without the use of inflammatory language which adds to the already high levels of threats that this whole sorry situation has engendered.

The PM should be leading the way on this but Johnson is leading the charge to lower standards.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Sep 19 11.32am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those are separate issues to the requests they made yesterday which were so contemptuously dismissed by Johnson.

There is no reason why the differences cannot be debated without the use of inflammatory language which adds to the already high levels of threats that this whole sorry situation has engendered.

The PM should be leading the way on this but Johnson is leading the charge to lower standards.

If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category.

I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again.

 

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W12 26 Sep 19 11.50am

Originally posted by Willo

If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category.

I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again.

Just when I think the level of Remaoner hypocrisy cannot get any worse they surpass themselves. They accuse everyone that disagrees with them of doing exactly what they are doing themselves e.g. undermining democracy, mounting a coup, dictatorship, escalating the rhetoric/language. It's a classic tactic of the leftist establishment and we can all see it's going on.

They need to start thinking about what happens when people give up on democracy. The last time parliament was in a similar situation it started a civil war.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 26 Sep 19 12.10pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category.

I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again.

Johnson has just alienated the support he needed.

Minority now of -43 and more after yesterday I would think.

I can't see one-nation tories taking any more, but there we go.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 12.10pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

If one is referring to Johnson's use of "Betrayal" and "Surrender",with the greatest of respect I would have to disagree that such words used in this context enter this category.

I happen to believe the tirade by Barry Sheerman veers into this territory.All very febrile in the Commons thanks to MPs who have frustrated Brexit time and time again.

This and many others.

To describe an Act of Parliament, duly passed and given Royal assent, in such language is to demean Parliament itself and shows utter contempt for the rule of law.

To do so at this time, when emotions are frayed and the actions of some of our less balanced members of society are already causing problems for people, it is more than irresponsible for anyone. For our PM to do so is completely unacceptable and indefensible.

To blame those in Parliament who passed the Act for doing their job and who then get angry because they are being disrespected is quite ridiculous. To do so when MPs are being threatened is dangerous.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 19 12.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Just when I think the level of Remaoner hypocrisy cannot get any worse they surpass themselves. They accuse everyone that disagrees with them of doing exactly what they are doing themselves e.g. undermining democracy, mounting a coup, dictatorship, escalating the rhetoric/language. It's a classic tactic of the leftist establishment and we can all see it's going on.

They need to start thinking about what happens when people give up on democracy. The last time parliament was in a similar situation it started a civil war.

The hypocrisy my friend is 100% coming from this government whose coordinated, "doubling down", strategy has been taken straight from the Trump pocket book of tactics, as devised by Roy Cohn.

Never apologise. Attack your attacker. Find a scapegoat. It's classic Trump. It's classic populism and has nothing at all to do with our democracy. Which to remind you, yet again, is based in Parliament. It's a disgrace to be seen in the UK and I hope the Tory mandarins behind the scenes put an end to it asap. Their funding will dry up pretty quickly if they don't.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Sep 19 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those female MPs are receiving death threats every day from nutters being wound up by the rhetoric coming out of Johnson's mouth and you think that is them trying to score political points!!!!

No wonder people get angry with him when people like you cannot fathom the reality of what life must be like for MPs just trying to do their job.

What about abuse/threats received from the left by Jewish MPs and those speaking out about anti-semetism in the Labour Party. Can't blame Johnson for that, seems Momentum are as bad if not worse but presumably that does not count

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 26 Sep 19 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The hypocrisy my friend is 100% coming from this government whose coordinated, "doubling down", strategy has been taken straight from the Trump pocket book of tactics, as devised by Roy Cohn.

Never apologise. Attack your attacker. Find a scapegoat. It's classic Trump. It's classic populism and has nothing at all to do with our democracy. Which to remind you, yet again, is based in Parliament. It's a disgrace to be seen in the UK and I hope the Tory mandarins behind the scenes put an end to it asap. Their funding will dry up pretty quickly if they don't.

So no remainers are hypocrites?

 

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W12 26 Sep 19 12.53pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The hypocrisy my friend is 100% coming from this government whose coordinated, "doubling down", strategy has been taken straight from the Trump pocket book of tactics, as devised by Roy Cohn.

Never apologise. Attack your attacker. Find a scapegoat. It's classic Trump. It's classic populism and has nothing at all to do with our democracy. Which to remind you, yet again, is based in Parliament. It's a disgrace to be seen in the UK and I hope the Tory mandarins behind the scenes put an end to it asap. Their funding will dry up pretty quickly if they don't.

Remainers lecturing about democracy.

Populism is coming to get you.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 Sep 19 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This and many others.

To describe an Act of Parliament, duly passed and given Royal assent, in such language is to demean Parliament itself and shows utter contempt for the rule of law.

To do so at this time, when emotions are frayed and the actions of some of our less balanced members of society are already causing problems for people, it is more than irresponsible for anyone. For our PM to do so is completely unacceptable and indefensible.

To blame those in Parliament who passed the Act for doing their job and who then get angry because they are being disrespected is quite ridiculous. To do so when MPs are being threatened is dangerous.

They should’ve said at the time that the referendum was advisory then and they were likely, or possibly, going to thwart it. Don’t hide and slime. Say and be honest.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 26 Sep 19 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnson has just alienated the support he needed.

Minority now of -43 and more after yesterday I would think.

I can't see one-nation tories taking any more, but there we go.

Then a vote of No Confidence will sail through and the Tories wiped out in a general election.

But oddly enough, none of the above is happening.

LOL.

 


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deleted user Flag 26 Sep 19 1.01pm

Immense variation with the polls of late, but is understandable really. Here's a very good one for the Conservatives!

YouGov - 2019-09-25
Con: 33%
LDem: 22%
Lab: 22%
BRX: 14%
Grn: 6%
SNP: 3%
PC: 1%
UKIP: 1%

Flavible Projection
CON: 348 (+30)
LAB: 163 (-99)
LDEM: 77 (+65)
SNP: 38 (+3)
PC: 5 (+1)
GRN: 1 (-)
Changes w/ 2017

Edited by dollardays (26 Sep 2019 1.01pm)

 

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