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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Dec 20 8.11pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Shortage of time? Ffs how long has this been going on? 5 years, so to incorporate another election, hoping Keir “ we must remain at all costs Starmer” gets elected. Clever thinking well done

The UK left the EU in January this year, so it is only 11 months.

Starmer supports brexit as far as I know.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 04 Dec 20 8.42pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The UK left the EU in January this year, so it is only 11 months.

Starmer supports brexit as far as I know.

I thought he voted to remain and advocated a 2nd referendum, I may be wrong.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Dec 20 9.23pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Show off

I suppose everyones shrinks in the winter

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 04 Dec 20 10.02pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I thought he voted to remain and advocated a 2nd referendum, I may be wrong.

Only to get rid of Corbyn. Now he is Mr Brexit. And wants to let it be known that when he proposed and championed a second referendum he had his fingers crossed behind his back the entire time.

 


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jeeagles Flag 05 Dec 20 2.10am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I thought he voted to remain and advocated a 2nd referendum, I may be wrong.

Former Human Rights Lawyer. Massive supporter of both the ECHR and the EU throughout.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Dec 20 7.46am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Ex Pats complaining they can only live in the EU 90 days a year.

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This story has been in several papers for the last few days. Sorry I have little sympathy the media is blowing this out of proportion.

If you want to stay longer simply apply for a visa. I have friends who live in the EU the process may vary by country but at the end of the day it's still a visa / residency process.

Yet again it's the EU playing hard ball as EU citizens can live here for 6 months.

Anyway I suspect the rules will change once they realise who spends the money.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 05 Dec 20 8.33am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Ex Pats complaining they can only live in the EU 90 days a year.

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This story has been in several papers for the last few days. Sorry I have little sympathy the media is blowing this out of proportion.

If you want to stay longer simply apply for a visa. I have friends who live in the EU the process may vary by country but at the end of the day it's still a visa / residency process.

Yet again it's the EU playing hard ball as EU citizens can live here for 6 months.

Anyway I suspect the rules will change once they realise who spends the money.

Surely those ex-pats have had the opportunity to apply for residency until now, as have EU nationals here? The fact they haven’t bothered is their fault

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Dec 20 8.37am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Surely those ex-pats have had the opportunity to apply for residency until now, as have EU nationals here? The fact they haven’t bothered is their fault

Exactly. A friend moved to Italy last year and applied and got residency it took a while and cost a few thousand unlike our free visa process but that's the wonderful EU for you.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 05 Dec 20 8.54am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Surely those ex-pats have had the opportunity to apply for residency until now, as have EU nationals here? The fact they haven’t bothered is their fault

Yes they should have, but there are a lot who buried their heads in the sand and thought it wouldn’t affect them. I meet loads of those in Tenerife.

The big issue however is not the full timers, it is the swallows as they are called. You used to be allowed to ‘fly south’ for up to 6 months at a time. This has been changed by Spain (including the islands) to 90 days out of 180. So in theory you can still do 6 months but it has to be 3 months apart. This effectively stops the swallows flying south for the entire winter and it is that that has pished off a lot of property owners.

The Spanish have also decided that if they catch you doing more than this you can be banned from entering Spain completely!

 

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jeeagles Flag 05 Dec 20 9.50am

Seems like the main sticking point is currently over fishing rights in UK waters.

The EU wants to be able to fish in them. They have said if they do, 20% of each catch with go to the UK.

The UK has said that we want a minimum of 60% from each catch.

Ireland are coming up with a feable line that the fish don't recognise boarders. Unfortunately for them the Royal Navy do.

It seems like some in the European Union still don't really get that the UK is no longer a part of it, and this is clear overreach. Demanding access to British waters as part of a deal will weaken the EU's argument onto the Internal Market Bill - you cant take the high ground if you are making an attempt to snatch other counties territory.

France are threatening to veto this, however, most countries that can't access our waters see this as trivial and not a reason to scupper a deal.

Meanwhile in Europe, Austria and non-EU state Switzerland have refused to bow to EU pressure to close their Ski Resorts. In another clear overreach on sovereignty from the EU.

The UK has announced its immigration rules, which are probably a lot more lax that many UKIP types would like, earn £25k+ a year and be able to speak English. With excepts for some industries. Its probably going to be difficult for the EU to argue against and cause many EU nations to get a bit jealous.

Brussels is still banging on about a level playing field, state aid, and regulation, again not understanding that the UK is no longer part of the EU. The smaller countries don't want Ireland to get a comparative advantage, whilst Ireland are pleading to be the innocent party and hoping to get some concessions. Other countries don't see this as a reason to scupper a deal.

It seems like the good old British divide an conquer tactic could be quietly working well. Whilst concession is needed the EU needs to get 27 countries to agree on something. They've already got stressed internal relations due to Covid and the UK has worked the situation to gain some leverage where there was previously very little available.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Dec 20 9.56am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Surely those ex-pats have had the opportunity to apply for residency until now, as have EU nationals here? The fact they haven’t bothered is their fault

If you want to reside in Italy it has nothing to do with the EU and is not free movement.

Permanent residence has always been a matter for an individual country's requirements.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 05 Dec 20 9.57am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Seems like the main sticking point is currently over fishing rights in UK waters.


It seems like the good old British divide an conquer tactic could be quietly working well. Whilst concession is needed the EU needs to get 27 countries to agree on something. They've already got stressed internal relations due to Covid and the UK has worked the situation to gain some leverage where there was previously very little available.


And Poland and Hungary are already causing the EU problems and holding up the bailout. As you say those countries not bothered about fishing most be quite frustrated with France.

I would offer the EU a sliding scale say over 5 years

Year 1 the EU has same as now but there after decreasing each year. If in 5 years the British fleet has not expanded or fully taken up their increasing quota then I would be happy to allow the EU to do so in a new deal.

Or Macron can explain to the French fishermen why they have no access to our waters.

 


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