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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 01 Sep 17 10.14pm

Originally posted by europalace

What do you think the houses of Parliament, Buckingham Palace etc are, garden sheds? You have exactly the same political infrastructure in the UK which costs UK citizens much more than that of the EU since these costs are spread across many EU nations.

You forgot to mention in your anti European rant that the UK supplies massive amounts of arms to the middle east which end up killing thousands of innocent children and their families. I'd take a bit of fish and food 'dumping' any day over that.

Edited by europalace (01 Sep 2017 6.02pm)

Here is a bit of 'anti European rant' as you no doubt will consider it, describing the EU's attack on third world living standards - from the notoriously right wing organ, the Independent.
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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 03 Sep 17 9.27am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Kier Starmer is on Marr. It's quite clear that he is pushing for perpetual transition in order to keep Britain in the EU. Why doesn't he just say this rather than the bollocks he is spouting?

Also, for someone supposedly so clever, he stutters and mumbles a lot.

 


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legaleagle Flag 03 Sep 17 10.03am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Also, for someone supposedly so clever, he stutters and mumbles a lot.

Bit cheap. Churchill stuttered.

 

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Originally posted by matt_himself

Kier Starmer is on Marr. It's quite clear that he is pushing for perpetual transition in order to keep Britain in the EU. Why doesn't he just say this rather than the bollocks he is spouting?

Also, for someone supposedly so clever, he stutters and mumbles a lot.

Oxted lad.

 

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Originally posted by legaleagle

Bit cheap. Churchill stuttered.

Churchill was pissed most of the time. What is Kier's excuse?

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Sep 17 11.59am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Here is a bit of 'anti European rant' as you no doubt will consider it, describing the EU's attack on third world living standards - from the notoriously right wing organ, the Independent.
[Link]

I note that the Europhiles on here are very quite about this - I wonder why.

 


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legaleagle Flag 03 Sep 17 12.12pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Churchill was pissed most of the time. What is Kier's excuse?

Even cheaper.

 

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legaleagle Flag 03 Sep 17 12.18pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I note that the Europhiles on here are very quite about this - I wonder why.

Could be because you posted a link to an article that was published more than 11 years ago?

 

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Originally posted by legaleagle

Even cheaper.

Face it, Kier has been put up as the sacrificial lamb Labour need on Brexit. After the student debt fiasco, all the Corbynites are distancing themselves from Brexit.whilst Kier fits the bill of most Corynites, he is rich, well spoken, from a good background, went to a good university and is a middle class, I get the impression he isn't really one of them and could easily be sacrificed if Labour get it wrong on Brexit.

This 'policy development', not the uturn most of us view it as, as Kier said, is Labour's 10th or so Brexit policy. I got the feeling from Marr today that Kier himself didn't believe what he was saying, therefore that probably a contribution towards his mumbling, incoherent performance.

Let's see how he plays out Philip Hammonds 'transition period' policy, making out its his own idea and isn't the perpetual EU membership those whom lost the referendum want.

Edited by matt_himself (03 Sep 2017 12.51pm)

 


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legaleagle Flag 03 Sep 17 12.54pm

That's better,back to the usual stuff rather than cheap jibes at people who stutter.


Labour up to 10th EU policy, while Tories desperately looking for one,and for a way out of the 100m race to jump off the edge of the proverbial cliff

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 03 Sep 17 12.56pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Could be because you posted a link to an article that was published more than 11 years ago?

The Independent is still rightly reporting on the iniquities of the Common Agricultural Policy, in September 2016 they said: “Today, farmers represent three per cent of Europe’s population while the CAP amounts to 42 per cent of the EU budget. As well the £4bn of UK tax money paid towards the CAP, the perversely regressive effects of the subsidy mean consumers endure the inflated price of agricultural goods due to the distorted market.”
Even that slave to the EU, Nick Clegg, described the CAP as a “wasteful and economically perverse support system for Europe’s farmers”.
The Common Agricultural Policy is 42% of EU budget and still adds £100s a year to family food bills.
The EU common external tariff makes food prices about 20% higher than world food prices. 80% of the subsidies go to the top ten percent of farming households by income. The average support per farmer is about £24,400. A hill farmer gets about £14,700 a year, while, in recent years, the Earl of Plymouth received some £669,000, the Queen £500,000, the Duke of Devonshire, £260,273, and the Duke of Buccleuch, £251,729..
Outside Europe, the effects of the CAP are even worse. The aberrant economic incentives for farmers to produce more only increase world inequality. Tonnes of subsidised produce from the first world are dumped in Africa and Asia, impoverishing relatively uncompetitive local farmers and worsening third world trade deficits. 2015 saw a wretched record set in India for highest level of farmer suicides in its independent history. In many areas, it has become profitably only to produce raw goods like cocoa or wheat, rather than the finished products. A quasi-colonial relationship has re-asserted itself, where poor African and Asian states dutifully export raw materials to be refined and manufactured in Europe.

The situation today is just the same – the EU is incapable of reform.

Edited by hedgehog50 (03 Sep 2017 12.57pm)

 


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Originally posted by legaleagle

That's better,back to the usual stuff rather than cheap jibes at people who stutter.


Labour up to 10th EU policy, while Tories desperately looking for one,and for a way out of the 100m race to jump off the edge of the proverbial cliff

You really can be a patronising bore when you want to be.

Please, Legal, tell me the difference between Philip Hammonds proposal for a transitional period of Brexit and Kier's 'policy', apart form the fact that many in Labour want the transitional period to be permenant?

 


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