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Crazy_Eagle South London 23 Dec 21 4.15pm
Originally posted by Brasilian Eagle I do not wish to leave Selhurst Park, but let's face it the new stand is taking longer than the Taj Mahal or Sagrada Familia. If we were to move there are three sites all very close to the ground. 1. South Norwood Recreation Ground A massive site close to Norwood Junction. Already has football pitches on it so will have permission for sports use. Might have restrictions on development. 2. Whitehorse Meadow I think these were once allotments but look little used these days. It is directly opposite Selhurst Park on the other side of Whitehorse Lane. Its size looks identical to the current site. We would be moving less than 250 feet! 3.School Playing Fields I don't know the name but if you look to the right of South Norwood Lake you will see a massive grass site. It is hemmed in by two railway lines so could have problems developing the site. So many schools around use that field for football/athletics. I personally wouldn't want to see Palace take up that site at thsat expense R.I.P. DJ Hardline CPFC2010
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Crazy_Eagle

South London 23 Dec 21 4.15pm

Originally posted by Brasilian Eagle

I do not wish to leave Selhurst Park, but let's face it the new stand is taking longer than the Taj Mahal or Sagrada Familia.

If we were to move there are three sites all very close to the ground.

1. South Norwood Recreation Ground
A massive site close to Norwood Junction. Already has football pitches on it so will have permission for sports use. Might have restrictions on development.

2. Whitehorse Meadow
I think these were once allotments but look little used these days. It is directly opposite Selhurst Park on the other side of Whitehorse Lane. Its size looks identical to the current site. We would be moving less than 250 feet!

3.School Playing Fields
I don't know the name but if you look to the right of South Norwood Lake you will see a massive grass site. It is hemmed in by two railway lines so could have problems developing the site.

So many schools around use that field for football/athletics. I personally wouldn't want to see Palace take up that site at thsat expense

R.I.P. DJ Hardline

CPFC2010

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YT Oxford 23 Dec 21 4.42pm
Originally posted by babylonjohn You obviously dont use the Arthur. The concourse was never designed for that many people. Its a throwback to when it was half seats and half terrace. This was never a problem before we reached the prem because it was never full. It is regularly full these days and its a problem. Sorry, but your post is contradictory. The concourse coped with far more spectators when the stand was part-terrace, part-seats than it needs to now, and furthermore the stand was full to capacity numerous times before we had a sniff of the prem. I'm not defending the current state of the stand, merely humbly questioning your logic. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 23 Dec 21 4.42pm

Originally posted by babylonjohn

You obviously dont use the Arthur. The concourse was never designed for that many people. Its a throwback to when it was half seats and half terrace. This was never a problem before we reached the prem because it was never full. It is regularly full these days and its a problem.

Sorry, but your post is contradictory. The concourse coped with far more spectators when the stand was part-terrace, part-seats than it needs to now, and furthermore the stand was full to capacity numerous times before we had a sniff of the prem. I'm not defending the current state of the stand, merely humbly questioning your logic.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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est1905 23 Dec 21 5.06pm
Originally posted by YT Sorry, but your post is contradictory. The concourse coped with far more spectators when the stand was part-terrace, part-seats than it needs to now, and furthermore the stand was full to capacity numerous times before we had a sniff of the prem. I'm not defending the current state of the stand, merely humbly questioning your logic. I thought the same. His comments completely contradict themselves
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est1905

23 Dec 21 5.06pm

Originally posted by YT

I thought the same. His comments completely contradict themselves

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becky over the moon 23 Dec 21 6.05pm
Originally posted by Wilbraham413 Out of curiosity, what would be the largest possible stadium in the current location? Let's say we have unlimited funds, and we are able to buy out Sainsbury's. The Main Stand is already "in the works", so that's done. I assume the Holmesdale is already pretty much maxed out in terms of seating for that space. So for expansion, that leaves the Whitehorse and AW. Would we be allowed to build a two tiered stand on either the WH or the Arthur? Best case scenario, with unlimited money, and no obstacles from local government, what would a newly renovated Selhurst Park look like? I believe from this being looked at many years ago, that the only way that the Arthur could be made 2 tier would be to dig out the bottom layer and build a smaller, low rise bank of seats and then cantilever a second tier out above the lower to cover most of it. The stand cannot be built any higher than the present one because of the angle of the sun, which would infringe on the 'Right to Light' of the houses in Park Road. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 23 Dec 21 6.05pm

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

Out of curiosity, what would be the largest possible stadium in the current location? Let's say we have unlimited funds, and we are able to buy out Sainsbury's.

The Main Stand is already "in the works", so that's done. I assume the Holmesdale is already pretty much maxed out in terms of seating for that space.

So for expansion, that leaves the Whitehorse and AW. Would we be allowed to build a two tiered stand on either the WH or the Arthur? Best case scenario, with unlimited money, and no obstacles from local government, what would a newly renovated Selhurst Park look like?

I believe from this being looked at many years ago, that the only way that the Arthur could be made 2 tier would be to dig out the bottom layer and build a smaller, low rise bank of seats and then cantilever a second tier out above the lower to cover most of it.
The stand cannot be built any higher than the present one because of the angle of the sun, which would infringe on the 'Right to Light' of the houses in Park Road.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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pizzapat Caterham 23 Dec 21 6.36pm
Originally posted by Brasilian Eagle I do not wish to leave Selhurst Park, but let's face it the new stand is taking longer than the Taj Mahal or Sagrada Familia. If we were to move there are three sites all very close to the ground. 1. South Norwood Recreation Ground A massive site close to Norwood Junction. Already has football pitches on it so will have permission for sports use. Might have restrictions on development. 2. Whitehorse Meadow I think these were once allotments but look little used these days. It is directly opposite Selhurst Park on the other side of Whitehorse Lane. Its size looks identical to the current site. We would be moving less than 250 feet! 3.School Playing Fields I don't know the name but if you look to the right of South Norwood Lake you will see a massive grass site. It is hemmed in by two railway lines so could have problems developing the site. i think all 3 sites would have access issues? 2010 decided my services were no longer required after 10 years service on the WHITEHORSE LANE FAMILY STAND #CRPS please read [Link] to find out what #CRPS is
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pizzapat

Caterham 23 Dec 21 6.36pm

Originally posted by Brasilian Eagle

I do not wish to leave Selhurst Park, but let's face it the new stand is taking longer than the Taj Mahal or Sagrada Familia.

If we were to move there are three sites all very close to the ground.

1. South Norwood Recreation Ground
A massive site close to Norwood Junction. Already has football pitches on it so will have permission for sports use. Might have restrictions on development.

i think all 3 sites would have access issues?

2010 decided my services were no longer required after 10 years service on the WHITEHORSE LANE FAMILY STAND

#CRPS

please read [Link] to find out what #CRPS is

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pizzapat Caterham 23 Dec 21 6.38pm
Originally posted by Wilbraham413 Out of curiosity, what would be the largest possible stadium in the current location? Let's say we have unlimited funds, and we are able to buy out Sainsbury's. The Main Stand is already "in the works", so that's done. I assume the Holmesdale is already pretty much maxed out in terms of seating for that space. So for expansion, that leaves the Whitehorse and AW. Would we be allowed to build a two tiered stand on either the WH or the Arthur? Best case scenario, with unlimited money, and no obstacles from local government, what would a newly renovated Selhurst Park look like? im pretty certain that the WH was built with the intention of building another level above the current boxes? 2010 decided my services were no longer required after 10 years service on the WHITEHORSE LANE FAMILY STAND #CRPS please read [Link] to find out what #CRPS is
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pizzapat

Caterham 23 Dec 21 6.38pm

Originally posted by Wilbraham413

Out of curiosity, what would be the largest possible stadium in the current location? Let's say we have unlimited funds, and we are able to buy out Sainsbury's.

The Main Stand is already "in the works", so that's done. I assume the Holmesdale is already pretty much maxed out in terms of seating for that space.

So for expansion, that leaves the Whitehorse and AW. Would we be allowed to build a two tiered stand on either the WH or the Arthur? Best case scenario, with unlimited money, and no obstacles from local government, what would a newly renovated Selhurst Park look like?

im pretty certain that the WH was built with the intention of building another level above the current boxes?

2010 decided my services were no longer required after 10 years service on the WHITEHORSE LANE FAMILY STAND

#CRPS

please read [Link] to find out what #CRPS is

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Spiderman Horsham 23 Dec 21 7.36pm
Originally posted by pizzapat im pretty certain that the WH was built with the intention of building another level above the current boxes? Correct and the foundations are, apparently, suitable for a two tier structure
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Spiderman

Horsham 23 Dec 21 7.36pm

Originally posted by pizzapat

im pretty certain that the WH was built with the intention of building another level above the current boxes?

Correct and the foundations are, apparently, suitable for a two tier structure

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Dec 21 9.13pm
Originally posted by YT Sorry, but your post is contradictory. The concourse coped with far more spectators when the stand was part-terrace, part-seats than it needs to now, and furthermore the stand was full to capacity numerous times before we had a sniff of the prem. I'm not defending the current state of the stand, merely humbly questioning your logic. The concourse was used by the seats from halfway back only. The terrace entrance was by exterior steps at either end with a van type thing selling burgers etc. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 23 Dec 21 9.13pm

Originally posted by YT

The concourse was used by the seats from halfway back only. The terrace entrance was by exterior steps at either end with a van type thing selling burgers etc.

COYP

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Wilbraham413 24 Dec 21 1.34am
Regarding the Arthur as an "international" fan, I am fine with it. Going to an old stadium located in a residential area, I expect that it will be crowded and have out-of-date facilities. I prefer that to something soulless like London stadium. The seats are comfortable, and the posts aren't that bad in terms of obstructing the view. I don't bother to eat or drink at sporting events, so I don't care about concessions. The concourse is a bit claustrophobic and the bathrooms aren't adequate, but I've been in new stadiums in the US that have woeful bathrooms with ridiculously long lines. The worst thing about the Arthur is probably the lack of view from the top rows. So I just make sure to sit in the lower half. I like sitting there. 2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro 2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley 2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth 2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle
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Wilbraham413

24 Dec 21 1.34am

Regarding the Arthur as an "international" fan, I am fine with it. Going to an old stadium located in a residential area, I expect that it will be crowded and have out-of-date facilities. I prefer that to something soulless like London stadium.

The seats are comfortable, and the posts aren't that bad in terms of obstructing the view. I don't bother to eat or drink at sporting events, so I don't care about concessions.

The concourse is a bit claustrophobic and the bathrooms aren't adequate, but I've been in new stadiums in the US that have woeful bathrooms with ridiculously long lines. The worst thing about the Arthur is probably the lack of view from the top rows. So I just make sure to sit in the lower half. I like sitting there.

2017 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Middlesboro
2018 Jan. (Sako) Palace 1 - 0 Burnley
2019 May (Batshuayi, Batshuayi, OG, Van Aanholt, Townsend) Palace 5 - 3 Bournemouth
2020 Feb. (Van Aanholt) Palace 1 - 0 Newcastle

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Dubai Eagle 24 Dec 21 8.51am
Surely given the length of time that the move / upgrade has been discussed these local sites would have been investigated & found to not be suitable (for one reason or another) otherwise they would still be being talked about as "under consideration" & I havent heard of any of those 3 possibilities being mentioned in favourable terms in relation to any possible relocation for many years. Originally posted by Brasilian Eagle I do not wish to leave Selhurst Park, but let's face it the new stand is taking longer than the Taj Mahal or Sagrada Familia. If we were to move there are three sites all very close to the ground. 1. South Norwood Recreation Ground A massive site close to Norwood Junction. Already has football pitches on it so will have permission for sports use. Might have restrictions on development. 2. Whitehorse Meadow I think these were once allotments but look little used these days. It is directly opposite Selhurst Park on the other side of Whitehorse Lane. Its size looks identical to the current site. We would be moving less than 250 feet! 3.School Playing Fields I don't know the name but if you look to the right of South Norwood Lake you will see a massive grass site. It is hemmed in by two railway lines so could have problems developing the site.
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Dubai Eagle

24 Dec 21 8.51am

Surely given the length of time that the move / upgrade has been discussed these local sites would have been investigated & found to not be suitable (for one reason or another) otherwise they would still be being talked about as "under consideration" & I havent heard of any of those 3 possibilities being mentioned in favourable terms in relation to any possible relocation for many years.

Originally posted by Brasilian Eagle

I do not wish to leave Selhurst Park, but let's face it the new stand is taking longer than the Taj Mahal or Sagrada Familia.

If we were to move there are three sites all very close to the ground.

1. South Norwood Recreation Ground
A massive site close to Norwood Junction. Already has football pitches on it so will have permission for sports use. Might have restrictions on development.

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babylonjohn St Leonards-on-Sea 24 Dec 21 1.26pm
Originally posted by est1905 I thought the same. His comments completely contradict themselves See Rudis comment above. The concourse only served the higher seated bit. The terraced sections below were accessed from the side. We always called these seats the "posh seats" from where we were standing on the holmesdale.
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babylonjohn

St Leonards-on-Sea 24 Dec 21 1.26pm

Originally posted by est1905

I thought the same. His comments completely contradict themselves

See Rudis comment above. The concourse only served the higher seated bit. The terraced sections below were accessed from the side. We always called these seats the "posh seats" from where we were standing on the holmesdale.

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Terry Ven 27 Dec 21 10.00am
Originally posted by Davepalace707 The capacity of the Arthur is 9754 that’s more than you would think and more than a third of the whole ground. Probably cos the seats are so small and space is cramped. I don’t know if there’s anything in the plan to replace the seating, would be worth doing. New seats in the AW is the very definition of polishing a turd. Let's be honest, the Holmesdale is the only reasonably acceptable stand; the "old stand" and the "new stand" as I still call them are just old cow sheds, and the Whitehorse Road stand has never looked "right".
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Terry Ven

27 Dec 21 10.00am

Originally posted by Davepalace707

The capacity of the Arthur is 9754 that’s more than you would think and more than a third of the whole ground. Probably cos the seats are so small and space is cramped. I don’t know if there’s anything in the plan to replace the seating, would be worth doing.

New seats in the AW is the very definition of polishing a turd. Let's be honest, the Holmesdale is the only reasonably acceptable stand; the "old stand" and the "new stand" as I still call them are just old cow sheds, and the Whitehorse Road stand has never looked "right".

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