I wasn't going to engage in this 2-way spat, but I have to hold you up on this one.

We can argue indefinitely on the 1st 2 points. For my part, there is chronic youth unemployment in the Med member states. However, this is not reflected in the northern countries, including the UK - all EU with relatively LOW youth unemployment.

The influx of cheap migrant labour from the old Eastern Bloc has probably reduced wages. It has probably also increased our competitiveness and possibly explains why our growth rate has been consistently higher than our neighbours. If so, take away those migrants and the wages go up... but only for those who remain in employment...

Those points can be discussed for some time. However, the utterly daft point you make is the last one. Those who voted against the EU on the basis that the EU represents the corporate elite neatly forget the stringent regulations the EU has placed on e.g. the financial centre - bankers, everyone's favourite people. Given the City largely finance the Tories, you can expect those restrictions to be quietly removed. This would enrich the elite.

And for those who have said that a worry about the shift to the right can be checked by the voters, think again. If Scotland leave the Union there will not be sufficient votes in an ageing England and Wales to check the Conservatives. Many will rejoice at that. However, it will not be the intelligent and liberal front bench Tories who I would readily accept. It will be those to the right of that party. Those who uphold the old patrician based system of the ruling class. Those who genuinely believe they are entitled to control hoi polloi through privilege and breeding. That is, the elite. I can see them holding control for many years with negligible effective political resistance and with the disparity in wealth between rich and poor growing ever greater. We have what I can only describe as a passing resemblance to democracy now. Unfortunately, we are at serious risk of being governed by a ruling elite not subject to the normal checks and balances we have become accustomed to as a necessary part of a a healthy democracy.

I don't think it really matters whether we're in the EU or out of the EU, the wealthy elite and corporate interests, will push for whatever than can.

At least out of the EU, opposition to corporate dictates within EU legislation can be overturned and countered.

Staying in the EU for fear of Conservative power is absurd. We will have general elections in the future, arguably we will have one referendum.

However don't be surprised to see the Conservatives back peddle on key issues. Borris is already trying to push the freedom of movement as 'not significant' to remain in the EEA.

Switching one elite out for another, is just a step in the right direction. You kill a giant with a thousand darts, not one

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Which god though, this is the flaw of Pascal's wager, he basis it on the possible existence of god. However its equally as possible that any other god or goddesses exist (possibly simultaneously).

Bacchus, pass the wine, there's a good chap...

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The BNP got nearly 600,000 votes in a GE a few years back. Safe to say that to a man/woman they voted Leave.

There's the concern. We don't want some of that lot think they have been given some kind of permission to act on their very basic instincts because for once they were on the winning side.

A few have already though, it appears.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Would have been 1668 if I hadn't been ill that day.

Damn.

Kermit is already ironing his Anti Nazi League banner and polishing his bovver boots in preparation for the rise of the new Third Reich.