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 nairb75  Baltimore 15 Aug 16 3.16pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Yes, but this shows my point about BLM (and the media to some extent) they called it murder, they couldn't care less if it was justifiable or not. The lads dad said "whites" are killing us, he had no idea it was a black police officer. It's the language of hate, it's not the currency that's needed right now. White people men and woman were pulled from their cars and beaten in Milwaukee. That plays right in to the hands of the far right. BLM are in the same conversation as the (current) KKK for me. an odd grouping. you may not like BLM but it's in response to a long list of racist activities against black americans, specifically from law enforcement. their tactics, at times, are unjustafiable. their goals are justifiable, though. the kkk is a group of racists who wear stupid outfits, for an unjustafiable purpose. not the same thing. not even close.
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7mins  In the bush 15 Aug 16 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Because America and American politics has for well over a decade hated facts. Its all about emotion and feeling. I'd stay clear of hyperbole such as comparing the Klan to BLM. That kind of hyperbole is Godwin's Law of argument (and lets not forget that the Klan exists today because of what it did in the past, and what its members still do and support). Acting on racism is never justified. Its the cycle of absurdity playing out, in which the stupid and the ignorant are pandered to. No number of wrongs make a right like attacking people indiscriminately. I get why people might target the police. But random white people, is just the same ignorant hate s**t you're supposed to be against.
Some of the chants heard at BLM marches make my blood run cold. They are without doubt a hateful ideology. I hope the UK doesn't follow suit, them silly nuggets that closed Heathrow are harmless, but these things could morph in to the hateful movement we're seeing in America.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Aug 16 9.26am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Some of the chants heard at BLM marches make my blood run cold. They are without doubt a hateful ideology. I hope the UK doesn't follow suit, them silly nuggets that closed Heathrow are harmless, but these things could morph in to the hateful movement we're seeing in America. But you can see just how inflammatory a statement like that is, given the history associated with the Klan - especially in an argument that's heavily influenced by arguments about race. Even when you say current KKK, people remember just exactly how cruel, brutal and influential the likes of the Klan used to be.
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| 7mins In the bush 16 Aug 16 10.14am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
But you can see just how inflammatory a statement like that is, given the history associated with the Klan - especially in an argument that's heavily influenced by arguments about race. Even when you say current KKK, people remember just exactly how cruel, brutal and influential the likes of the Klan used to be. It's only inflammatory if people purposely misread what I said. I have quite clearly said that the KKK of old were far far worse, if people disregard that to score points, it tells me their argument is weak. In Milwaukee, they were hunting for white people to beat up, this is what happens when BLM spreads their hateful message.
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| Alexi_the_Eagle Newton-le-Willows 16 Aug 16 10.19am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
It's only inflammatory if people purposely misread what I said. I have quite clearly said that the KKK of old were far far worse, if people disregard that to score points, it tells me their argument is weak. In Milwaukee, they were hunting for white people to beat up, this is what happens when BLM spreads their hateful message. It's worked its way over here as well. All those wannabe BLM cockroaches are jumping on the bandwagon of an American movement that has absolutely NOTHING to do with England. All lives matter. Regardless of your skin colour, religion, gender, sexuality or nationality. Edited by Alexi_the_Eagle (16 Aug 2016 10.21am)
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 16 Aug 16 10.32am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
It's only inflammatory if people purposely misread what I said. I have quite clearly said that the KKK of old were far far worse, if people disregard that to score points, it tells me their argument is weak. In Milwaukee, they were hunting for white people to beat up, this is what happens when BLM spreads their hateful message. The most sensible common sense opinion I have ever read on here in regards to what is a tricky subject. You are of course correct in everything you have said thus far. But don't expect a straight answer from anyone of the liberal persuasion on here. According to them it's just a backlash from the nasty old colonial days (some 300 + Years ago). Facts are these there are more white people shot by Police in america than black people, and yet every time a black person gets shot we have riots as it wasnt his fault, nice young lad, promising sports person etc etc. Nothing to do with the fact he pointed a gun at an armed police officer. The levels of apologistic nonsense on these and other threads of a similar nature is beyond anything I would expect for intelligent, and reasoned human beings.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Aug 16 10.37am |
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Originally posted by Alexi_the_Eagle
It's worked its way over here as well. All those wannabe BLM cockroaches are jumping on the bandwagon of an American movement that has absolutely NOTHING to do with England. All lives matter. Regardless of your skin colour, religion, gender, sexuality or nationality. Edited by Alexi_the_Eagle (16 Aug 2016 10.21am) I think the point that's increasingly getting lost in the rhetoric and point scoring, is that the issue is that some lives matter more, as far as the state is concerned. Its a fairly true experience, that the police even in the UK, have a more 'heavy handed approach' to certain areas and groups in society, irrespective of the context of the situation. That this also includes a general application of more 'zero tolerance' approaches to poor, working class and ethnic minority groups, many of who are disproportionately targeted under things such as stop and search, regardless of the guidelines and rules regarding 'reasonable suspicion'. That's my experience, even as a white guy.
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 becky over the moon 16 Aug 16 10.48am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think the point that's increasingly getting lost in the rhetoric and point scoring, is that the issue is that some lives matter more, as far as the state is concerned. Its a fairly true experience, that the police even in the UK, have a more 'heavy handed approach' to certain areas and groups in society, irrespective of the context of the situation. That this also includes a general application of more 'zero tolerance' approaches to poor, working class and ethnic minority groups, many of who are disproportionately targeted under things such as stop and search, regardless of the guidelines and rules regarding 'reasonable suspicion'. That's my experience, even as a white guy. Possibly that's because the upper classes only blow their own heads off with a shotgun (when the financial crisis at the stately home gets too much), and the upper classes can afford to pay their dealer out of Granny's trust fund so don't have to mug old ladies for their pension money to pay for the habit.....
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| Rubin 16 Aug 16 11.29am |
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Divide and rule. The only effect BLM will have is white people becoming more racist towards black people. Legitimised by Obama and Clinton, and funded by George Soros, who's recent hacking has exposed and confirmed all his long suspected manipulation of world events.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Aug 16 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by becky
Possibly that's because the upper classes only blow their own heads off with a shotgun (when the financial crisis at the stately home gets too much), and the upper classes can afford to pay their dealer out of Granny's trust fund so don't have to mug old ladies for their pension money to pay for the habit..... Its usually more of a case they have the right friends to make sure the police are cordial and friendly, in their dealings with them. If you dawn raid some middle class c**t, the press will report the horrors and idignity of your treatment. If your working class or underclass, they'll package it for entertainment purposes. A lot of these problems are growing out of zero tolerance policing in the US being applied continually, rather than directed towards particular issues. An example can be found in Baltimore's poorer- white and black areas, where a zero tolerance anti-drug policy targeting 'corners' has expanded into becoming general policing approach to those areas, despite the successes garnered in moving gangs and dealers off of corners. You don't get that kind of approach dealing with dealers to the upper and middle classes, or even those who are provided the bulk supply and laundering the money.... The end result of continual zero tolerance policing is alienation of targeted communities, because it inevitably shifts from the target (where it might prove successful for the community) to the community in general. The middle and upper echelons of society will only see the stats, smile and pat themselves on the back. But in reality its self defeating, because it creates an unavoidable us and them situation. The war on drugs was lost 20 years ago. And yet in the US people are getting massive sentences for non-violent crimes, because they happen to live in poor areas. 55 years for 3 oz of Meth....
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Aug 16 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Divide and rule. The only effect BLM will have is white people becoming more racist towards black people. Legitimised by Obama and Clinton, and funded by George Soros, who's recent hacking has exposed and confirmed all his long suspected manipulation of world events. And white people. Division of class consciousness I think Marx called it, the reality being that poor whites, blacks and Hispanics have more in common, politically, than in conflict. A story as old as exploitation, keep them hating each other, and you never have to solve the problems.
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| 7mins In the bush 16 Aug 16 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
The most sensible common sense opinion I have ever read on here in regards to what is a tricky subject. You are of course correct in everything you have said thus far. But don't expect a straight answer from anyone of the liberal persuasion on here. According to them it's just a backlash from the nasty old colonial days (some 300 + Years ago). Facts are these there are more white people shot by Police in america than black people, and yet every time a black person gets shot we have riots as it wasnt his fault, nice young lad, promising sports person etc etc. Nothing to do with the fact he pointed a gun at an armed police officer. The levels of apologistic nonsense on these and other threads of a similar nature is beyond anything I would expect for intelligent, and reasoned human beings. Sometimes, I feel that the liberal left are as much a danger on here. They seem to hold whites/police to a higher standard than blacks. If Zimmerman kills a black guy he is a prick (rightly so), we all condemn. Every 14hours a black man is killed by a fellow black man in Chicago.... No condemnation, is it that we expect that of blacks... They can't be helped, so why bother condemning them, they're a bunch of savages, would we expect any better?
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