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Hoof Hearted 11 Sep 16 11.11am

Apologies if this matter has been covered elsewhere?

I watched the whole game with Boro live and also watched extensive highlights on Sky last night.

My conclusion is that Swarbrick is definitely a referee that currently bottles making big decisions in either penalty area.

He must have seen Ayala manhandling Scott Dann in the 1st half at corners and if Mike Dean was the ref we would have had 2 pens.... and he would have been sent off with 2 yellow cards.

A massive blow then that we allowed the same player time and room to head their equaliser.... I was gutted we didn't block him off/grab his shirt as it was clear Swarbrick was never going to award a penalty for that offence.

2nd half it was our turn to benefit from Swarbrick's reluctance to point to the spot... Scott Dann's hand looked like it was in contact with the ball, and Zaha's late challenge in injury time looked inside the box to me.

From my perspective justice was done though... he missed 2 penalties for both teams.

Why Boro's coaching assistants were giving the 4th official so much grief I don't know... obviously they had selective memory loss when it came to their players "cheating".

It also begs the question why the FA/Referees association aren't insisting all referees act in unison. Clearly Mike Dean aims to stamp out holding at corners and is not afraid to award penalties and dish out cards.

Other referees like Swarbrick are still allowing the status quo to continue and are bottling the chance to follow Read's example.

Clearly this anomaly cannot be allowed to continue?

Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Sep 2016 11.27am)

 

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View tazzer's Profile tazzer Flag Basingstoke 11 Sep 16 11.14am Send a Private Message to tazzer Add tazzer as a friend

"tell me I'm wrong" do you mean Mike Dean

 

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Hoof Hearted 11 Sep 16 11.28am

Originally posted by tazzer

"tell me I'm wrong" do you mean Mike Dean

LOL.... yes I meant Mike Dean.... I've edited my post now... thanks tazzer.

 

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View midlandspalace's Profile midlandspalace Flag kidderminster 11 Sep 16 12.13pm Send a Private Message to midlandspalace Add midlandspalace as a friend

Zaha's tackle was not in the box. The ref saw it once at full speed and got it correct. You have probably seen it more than once, at slow speed and various angles and got it wrong. Well done the ref. I agree about the marking for their goal, Delaney was nowhere to be seen.

 

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Hoof Hearted 11 Sep 16 12.24pm

Originally posted by midlandspalace

Zaha's tackle was not in the box. The ref saw it once at full speed and got it correct. You have probably seen it more than once, at slow speed and various angles and got it wrong. Well done the ref. I agree about the marking for their goal, Delaney was nowhere to be seen.

The jury's out on Zaha's tackle - in my opinion and a few pundits it looked in and could/should have been a pen... but it's all about opinion and clearly we disagree on that issue.

If you are right, we were harshly treated by Swarbrick and could have had 2 penalties to their 1.

The main point I was making was the inconsistency of referees decisions and the FA/Referees Association failure to instill parity between them.

Either they all adopt Mike Dean's approach and penalise holding or let it go... you can't have referees applying different standards.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Sep 16 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Either they all adopt Mike Dean's approach and penalise holding or let it go... you can't have referees applying different standards.

I totally understand the point you are making, however a referee has to see incidents to award a penalty for holding/shirt pulling etc etc and with so many players in a confined space and moving about in different directions, a referee cannot see everything.All picked up on SKY TV of course but alas a referee doesn't have access to umpteen cameras.

 

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Hoof Hearted 11 Sep 16 12.36pm

Originally posted by Willo

I totally understand the point you are making, however a referee has to see incidents to award a penalty for holding/shirt pulling etc etc and with so many players in a confined space and moving about in different directions, a referee cannot see everything.All picked up on SKY TV of course but alas a referee doesn't have access to umpteen cameras.

You are of course referring to what I call the "Arsene Wenger" approach.

Easier to say you didn't see it, rather than admit you got it wrong.... the classic "old chestnut" response to dealing with making a decision under pressure.

It seems that Mike Dean is able to see what Sky TV cameras can see but Swarbrick isn't!

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Sep 16 12.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

You are of course referring to what I call the "Arsene Wenger" approach.

Easier to say you didn't see it, rather than admit you got it wrong.... the classic "old chestnut" response to dealing with making a decision under pressure.

It seems that Mike Dean is able to see what Sky TV cameras can see but Swarbrick isn't!

At the end of the day a referee cannot see everything and if he doesn't see it he cannot give it.

You are comparing totally different incidents so to make a comparison between Dean and Swarbrick in this respect is unfair.
Referees cannot win - if they give penalties for certain holding/ shirt pulling incidents there will be cries of "Harsh" and "Soft" !

In terms of "Decision under pressure", referees are under huge pressure EVERY game and have to make split-second decisions in pressurised situations which of course they do. And they are only human and humans make mistakes.

Edited by Willo (11 Sep 2016 1.18pm)

 

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The holding was 100% seen by Swarbrick. Before the corners were taken he had nearly 10 seconds of looking at the box and seeing the blatant grabbing. If he didn't see it then he isn't up to the standard required to ref in the PL, if he did he needs to be consistent and follow the guidelines put in place before the season started.

Actually think last season was one of the poorest in terms of ref performances I can remember. This season already looks slightly better and I take my hat if to Mike Dean for his consistency.

Quick side note. If you want to talk about big game and referees bottling it, look no further than a certain Willo favourite missing a clear pen and a red in the Manchester derby.

 

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View auk's Profile auk Flag 11 Sep 16 1.27pm Send a Private Message to auk Add auk as a friend

With the Dann handball, I think the ref was of half a mind to award the penalty but he wanted confirmation from the linesman .

It may have been that the linesman bottled it and that persuaded the ref to bottle it.

That's the trouble with the new style of closer communication - if decisions are shared, there is a risk that they will be shirked.

On the whole, I thought the ref did well, but we have more reason to be pleased with his performance - especially at crunch moments - than Boro

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 11 Sep 16 1.29pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Apologies if this matter has been covered elsewhere?

I watched the whole game with Boro live and also watched extensive highlights on Sky last night.

My conclusion is that Swarbrick is definitely a referee that currently bottles making big decisions in either penalty area.

He must have seen Ayala manhandling Scott Dann in the 1st half at corners and if Mike Dean was the ref we would have had 2 pens.... and he would have been sent off with 2 yellow cards.

A massive blow then that we allowed the same player time and room to head their equaliser.... I was gutted we didn't block him off/grab his shirt as it was clear Swarbrick was never going to award a penalty for that offence.

2nd half it was our turn to benefit from Swarbrick's reluctance to point to the spot... Scott Dann's hand looked like it was in contact with the ball, and Zaha's late challenge in injury time looked inside the box to me.

From my perspective justice was done though... he missed 2 penalties for both teams.

Why Boro's coaching assistants were giving the 4th official so much grief I don't know... obviously they had selective memory loss when it came to their players "cheating".

It also begs the question why the FA/Referees association aren't insisting all referees act in unison. Clearly Mike Dean aims to stamp out holding at corners and is not afraid to award penalties and dish out cards.

Other referees like Swarbrick are still allowing the status quo to continue and are bottling the chance to follow Read's example.

Clearly this anomaly cannot be allowed to continue?

Edited by Hoof Hearted (11 Sep 2016 11.27am)


Zaha's tackle was clearly outside the box on MotD, from 3 different angles (even Shearer agreed that it was outside!).

The Boro bench were disputing (on 2 occasions) that Dann handled the ball in the area. Both times he had both his right foot and right arm out, and it was very difficult to see which actually touched the ball, although a different angle on one clearly showed that it was the boot and not the hand that got there first.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Sep 16 1.57pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Quick side note. If you want to talk about big game and referees bottling it, look no further than a certain Willo favourite missing a clear pen and a red in the Manchester derby.

NOT a penalty or 'Red' in my book.
A referee who did NOT succumb to pressure from the hordes of 'Home' fans.

 

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