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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 23 Oct 20 7.57pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

that's far too sensible a post for this forum.


but a refreshing read!

 

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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 24 Oct 20 7.54am Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Agreed. How people get it in their heads that SP is doing a bad job, that he's preventing the club moving forward, is not splashing out just because he's tight, or various other drivel spouted on here is beyond me.

I just cannot understand how people don't see it. Lower mid-table in the top flight every year for eight years is bordering on miraculous given our history, budget, facilities, fairly recent scrapes with administration, maximum wage bill allowed under FFP, and all the other things that actually exist in the real world, but get overlooked (or just aren't understood) by critics of Parish.

The current stick being used to beat him with is that he backs Roy who plays awful football. Well, last Saturday was certainly dire, and it wasn't the first time that's happened, but leaving aside whether Roy is right to play as he does, it's wrong to say that Parish doesn't care how we play. He just weighs that up against whether we get relegated which, and I can't believe this is even something people debate, would be a bad thing.

When appointing De Boer Parish talked frankly about how the team needed to develop from being a very defensive counter attacking side to one who would use the ball better and score more goals, especially at home where our record (at that time) was bottom three material. As we know, he got his fingers burnt, and reverted to the safe pair of hands of a defensive coach.

I'm sure he finds days like Saturday as tedious to watch as we do. The difference is he sees the ugly reality of it - playing like that is, overall, the most likely way that a small-to-medium sized club like ours will stay up, and it's only by staying up that he can make us a medium-to-big club through long term planning and development of the academy and stadium. Which he has explained. Openly. Again and again.


Edited by TheBigToePunt (23 Oct 2020 3.36pm)

this post should be copied & pasted after every post made by the “dunning-kruger effect” brigade.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 24 Oct 20 9.09am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

The beautiful game turned ugly and all because it is considered by our owner and manager that is the only way to get a starting 11, (who between them earn in excess of 1/2 a million pounds a week), to play and stay in the Premier League?

Sorry, I don’t buy that. We play that way because it is the only way our manager knows how and not because the players are incapable of playing differently.

Our team is frozen with fear out on the pitch, it’s like the ball is a bundle of Covid and no-one wants it because it’s more important to stay ‘in shape’. We’ve seen it before with Roy’s England sides.

It is time for a change. Whoever comes in must understand how football is evolving and how best to utilise the existing talent within the squad which in my mind is being stifled by the current set up.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Oct 20 9.18am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

The beautiful game turned ugly and all because it is considered by our owner and manager that is the only way to get a starting 11, (who between them earn in excess of 1/2 a million pounds a week), to play and stay in the Premier League?

Sorry, I don’t buy that. We play that way because it is the only way our manager knows how and not because the players are incapable of playing differently.

Our team is frozen with fear out on the pitch, it’s like the ball is a bundle of Covid and no-one wants it because it’s more important to stay ‘in shape’. We’ve seen it before with Roy’s England sides.

It is time for a change. Whoever comes in must understand how football is evolving and how best to utilise the existing talent within the squad which in my mind is being stifled by the current set up.

I have heard similar sentiments expressed by a plethora of our supporters.

Should we win today the furore will abate but should we be defeated on the back of yet another abject performance there will be vesuvian erutions with high-decibel fulmination directed at Mr Hodgson.
HOL will be awash with hyperventilation.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 28 Oct 20 2.30pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

I expect Roy to call it quits at the end of this season, Dyche would be the safest and likeliest option, many on here will disagree with me, but I rate Nigel Pearson, and am willing to overlook his assault on James Arthur's throat as a bit of surplus emotion brought on by the extreme stresses and strains of football management - he's a thinker and a good coach, but he might be a bit too independent-minded for Parish.

 

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View Ali_Campbell's Profile Ali_Campbell Flag New Addington 28 Oct 20 2.52pm Send a Private Message to Ali_Campbell Add Ali_Campbell as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I expect Roy to call it quits at the end of this season, Dyche would be the safest and likeliest option, many on here will disagree with me, but I rate Nigel Pearson, and am willing to overlook his assault on James Arthur's throat as a bit of surplus emotion brought on by the extreme stresses and strains of football management - he's a thinker and a good coach, but he might be a bit too independent-minded for Parish.

I like him too. He built a team which the majority of players won the league. He is good coach and gets the best out of players. I also think he could be long term plan.

He does make a good tv as he hates the media aswell

 

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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 28 Oct 20 3.39pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I expect Roy to call it quits at the end of this season, Dyche would be the safest and likeliest option, many on here will disagree with me, but I rate Nigel Pearson, and am willing to overlook his assault on James Arthur's throat as a bit of surplus emotion brought on by the extreme stresses and strains of football management - he's a thinker and a good coach, but he might be a bit too independent-minded for Parish.

That was just hi jinks. Why do football fans have to look for ways to be offended by every tiny issue. Both laughed it off.

I also liked the way he told a fan in the front row to "f*** off and die" after inviting them to manage the team.

Roy's interviews are always so sterile and stage managed by a guy with decades of media training. Football and life in general needs a few more people that wear their hearts on their sleeve.

 

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View CPFC1965's Profile CPFC1965 Flag Warrington 28 Oct 20 3.59pm Send a Private Message to CPFC1965 Add CPFC1965 as a friend

I'd go for Neil Lennon. He'll definitely be available if Rangers win the title,

 

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View nead1's Profile nead1 Flag 28 Oct 20 4.11pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

I definitely would not go after Lennon. He tends to be a character who generates division on a number of fronts and has no track record outside of the really poor Scottish environment; even there, his record is far from outstanding.
I suspect, Palace will look no further than Freedman. He has shown again that he has a great eye for talent, is shrewd where money is concerned and may well be hungry to get back to a coaching role. In many respects, it would generate continuity - often not a bad choice especially in such uncertain times as today.

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Flag Dulwich 28 Oct 20 4.19pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles


Roy's interviews are always so sterile and stage managed by a guy with decades of media training. Football and life in general needs a few more people that wear their hearts on their sleeve.

It's not just Roy - it's all of them. But what can we expect when the journalists are so utterly feeble? "Well, Sean, how satisfied are you with that result?" "So, Frank, did you see it as two points lost?" "Mikel, you must have been happy with your goalkeeper's performance." "Carlo, did you think it was a penalty?" "Jurgen, how hard is it going to be to retain the championship?"

I'd better stop, I'm making myself angry. But how about "Roy, what was the point of replacing two defensive midfielders with two defensive midfielders?" "Roy, why do you take so long to make substitutions." "Roy, why do you select our best players only when everyone else is injured?" That's enough.

 

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View scuffy's Profile scuffy Flag orpington 28 Oct 20 5.01pm Send a Private Message to scuffy Add scuffy as a friend

How about Craig Shakespeare? the brains behind Leicester's title winning season and the season before when they stayed up. Now playing a key role in the turnaround at Aston Villa. Rated highly enough by Allardyce to bring him into the England set up.

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

I expect Roy to call it quits at the end of this season, Dyche would be the safest and likeliest option, many on here will disagree with me, but I rate Nigel Pearson, and am willing to overlook his assault on James Arthur's throat as a bit of surplus emotion brought on by the extreme stresses and strains of football management - he's a thinker and a good coach, but he might be a bit too independent-minded for Parish.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 28 Oct 20 5.10pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

you're quite right, the questioning is generally feeble, especially where finding out anything new about football is concerned, media more interested in stories concerning who's coming or going. There are more Dan Walkers than there are Mark Chapmans.

 

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