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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jan 17 1.43pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 So the biggest problem, would be with white on ethnic violence, but the problem is the immigrants? Isn't that victim blaming? That's a gross oversimplification. We are all victims. The bottom line is that we have a whole heap of problems that we didn't have before and it's all to make the rich man richer. I accept that we all share in the prosperity, albeit at a level below what we would hope for, but has it all been worth it? I say no.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So the biggest problem, would be with white on ethnic violence, but the problem is the immigrants? Isn't that victim blaming?

That's a gross oversimplification. We are all victims.
The bottom line is that we have a whole heap of problems that we didn't have before and it's all to make the rich man richer.
I accept that we all share in the prosperity, albeit at a level below what we would hope for, but has it all been worth it?

I say no.

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elgrande bedford 06 Jan 17 2.40pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Fair enough but a big mob of Palace, especially at places like Reading, could look after themselves quite nicely back then so still reckon the police were trying to put the willies up 'em. If I remember rightly there was about 10/15 of us,we declined and laughed....but we could look after ourselves....I will mention no names... always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 06 Jan 17 2.40pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Fair enough but a big mob of Palace, especially at places like Reading, could look after themselves quite nicely back then so still reckon the police were trying to put the willies up 'em.

If I remember rightly there was about 10/15 of us,we declined and laughed....but we could look after ourselves....I will mention no names...

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jan 17 4.18pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That's a gross oversimplification. We are all victims. The bottom line is that we have a whole heap of problems that we didn't have before and it's all to make the rich man richer. I accept that we all share in the prosperity, albeit at a level below what we would hope for, but has it all been worth it? I say no. But you are implying that the fault of violence lies with the policies and not with those committing acts of violence. Now I certainly agree that to an extent, the policy of virtual unrestricted migration coupled with its impact on wages, creates tension - but the fault of the violence lies with those who perpetuate it, not the symptom. I do also agree with the issue you stated earlier that migration policies serve only the wealthier and corportate interests that sponsor them. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jan 17 4.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I say no.

But you are implying that the fault of violence lies with the policies and not with those committing acts of violence.

Now I certainly agree that to an extent, the policy of virtual unrestricted migration coupled with its impact on wages, creates tension - but the fault of the violence lies with those who perpetuate it, not the symptom.

I do also agree with the issue you stated earlier that migration policies serve only the wealthier and corportate interests that sponsor them.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Jan 17 4.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That's a gross oversimplification. We are all victims. The bottom line is that we have a whole heap of problems that we didn't have before and it's all to make the rich man richer. I accept that we all share in the prosperity, albeit at a level below what we would hope for, but has it all been worth it? I say no. Actually I don't think we share in the prosperity. I think the low skilled and semi skilled workforce have been completely f**ked over by Freedom of Movement - as have any number of highly skilled and educated migrants who are working low skilled UK jobs. The nation they came from also loses out. That's why I say out of the EU, because its a corporate stooge that only serves the interests of wealth production and ownership, not the interests of its citizens. I'd imagine its almost as hard to get a plumber in eastern Europe as it is to make a living as one in the UK now. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Jan 17 4.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I say no.

Actually I don't think we share in the prosperity. I think the low skilled and semi skilled workforce have been completely f**ked over by Freedom of Movement - as have any number of highly skilled and educated migrants who are working low skilled UK jobs. The nation they came from also loses out.

That's why I say out of the EU, because its a corporate stooge that only serves the interests of wealth production and ownership, not the interests of its citizens.

I'd imagine its almost as hard to get a plumber in eastern Europe as it is to make a living as one in the UK now.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jan 17 5.52pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 But you are implying that the fault of violence lies with the policies and not with those committing acts of violence. Now I certainly agree that to an extent, the policy of virtual unrestricted migration coupled with its impact on wages, creates tension - but the fault of the violence lies with those who perpetuate it, not the symptom. I do also agree with the issue you stated earlier that migration policies serve only the wealthier and corportate interests that sponsor them. I am. Humans are humans, they won't change any time soon, and pursuing a policy which is predictably socially divisive for the sake of financial gain is immoral, irresponsible and totally contemptuous in my opinion. Governments should protect people from themselves to some extent and when there is a clear historical and demonstrable reason to avoid a certain scenario, they should abide by that. As you suggest, there is no clear advantage to the average by pursuing this policy and so therefore no counter argument that stands up to scrutiny. Aside from ethnic divide, the pressure on wages and the disparity between ethnic groups living standards is inevitable. A virtual certainty in fact, which can only be perpetuated as population increases. If there was any short term advantage it will be heavily outweighed by long term consequences. These decisions are taken on the basis of elections and questionable fiscal and economic predictions.
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06 Jan 17 5.52pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

But you are implying that the fault of violence lies with the policies and not with those committing acts of violence.

I do also agree with the issue you stated earlier that migration policies serve only the wealthier and corportate interests that sponsor them.

I am. Humans are humans, they won't change any time soon, and pursuing a policy which is predictably socially divisive for the sake of financial gain is immoral, irresponsible and totally contemptuous in my opinion. Governments should protect people from themselves to some extent and when there is a clear historical and demonstrable reason to avoid a certain scenario, they should abide by that.
As you suggest, there is no clear advantage to the average by pursuing this policy and so therefore no counter argument that stands up to scrutiny. Aside from ethnic divide, the pressure on wages and the disparity between ethnic groups living standards is inevitable. A virtual certainty in fact, which can only be perpetuated as population increases.
If there was any short term advantage it will be heavily outweighed by long term consequences.
These decisions are taken on the basis of elections and questionable fiscal and economic predictions.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 17 6.01pm
Now it's been established that the person responsible is not 'a loon' can we clarify whether shouting 'I want to kill a Muslim' before stabbing someone can be deemed racist. no doubt, to some it's all down to windrush.
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Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 17 6.01pm

Now it's been established that the person responsible is not 'a loon' can we clarify whether shouting 'I want to kill a Muslim' before stabbing someone can be deemed racist.

no doubt, to some it's all down to windrush.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jan 17 6.06pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Actually I don't think we share in the prosperity. I think the low skilled and semi skilled workforce have been completely f**ked over by Freedom of Movement - as have any number of highly skilled and educated migrants who are working low skilled UK jobs. The nation they came from also loses out. That's why I say out of the EU, because its a corporate stooge that only serves the interests of wealth production and ownership, not the interests of its citizens. I'd imagine its almost as hard to get a plumber in eastern Europe as it is to make a living as one in the UK now. Agreed. Capitalism reaching it's ultimate end game. Global domination and maximum profit. Great as long as society benefits and doesn't collapse as a result. We in the West are very wealthy in relative terms but globalisation is not making the majority richer.
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Hrolf The Ganger

06 Jan 17 6.06pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

That's why I say out of the EU, because its a corporate stooge that only serves the interests of wealth production and ownership, not the interests of its citizens.

I'd imagine its almost as hard to get a plumber in eastern Europe as it is to make a living as one in the UK now.

Agreed. Capitalism reaching it's ultimate end game. Global domination and maximum profit. Great as long as society benefits and doesn't collapse as a result. We in the West are very wealthy in relative terms but globalisation is not making the majority richer.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jan 17 6.19pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Now it's been established that the person responsible is not 'a loon' can we clarify whether shouting 'I want to kill a Muslim' before stabbing someone can be deemed racist. no doubt, to some it's all down to windrush. So a black man, who is apparently sane, attacks a Muslim in South London. If that isn't an advert for why mass migration was a dumb idea then I don't what is. And here you are still constantly banging on about racism like a lefty parrot. An overused word based on a false scientific premise.
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06 Jan 17 6.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Now it's been established that the person responsible is not 'a loon' can we clarify whether shouting 'I want to kill a Muslim' before stabbing someone can be deemed racist.

no doubt, to some it's all down to windrush.

So a black man, who is apparently sane, attacks a Muslim in South London.
If that isn't an advert for why mass migration was a dumb idea then I don't what is.

And here you are still constantly banging on about racism like a lefty parrot. An overused word based on a false scientific premise.

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legaleagle 06 Jan 17 7.47pm
What "false" scientific premise do you have in mind? As for your statement that the attack is an "advert for why mass migration was a dumb idea ", that's simply plain nuts...precisely what are you on? Creme de prejudice? Edited by legaleagle (06 Jan 2017 7.47pm)
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06 Jan 17 7.47pm

What "false" scientific premise do you have in mind?

As for your statement that the attack is an "advert for why mass migration was a dumb idea ", that's simply plain nuts...precisely what are you on? Creme de prejudice?

Edited by legaleagle (06 Jan 2017 7.47pm)

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jan 17 9.57pm
Originally posted by legaleagle What "false" scientific premise do you have in mind? As for your statement that the attack is an "advert for why mass migration was a dumb idea ", that's simply plain nuts...precisely what are you on? Creme de prejudice? Edited by legaleagle (06 Jan 2017 7.47pm) Calm down dear. The false premise that humanity is divided into races or that humans in general are a race. It is all unscientific tosh and therefore means that the word racist or racialist are based on a false assumption. Naturally humans will find all sorts of ways to divide each other. That's what we do. Unless of course, we have a mutual interest that outweighs that predisposition. The fascinating part is where that tipping point lies and what determines it.
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06 Jan 17 9.57pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

What "false" scientific premise do you have in mind?

As for your statement that the attack is an "advert for why mass migration was a dumb idea ", that's simply plain nuts...precisely what are you on? Creme de prejudice?

Edited by legaleagle (06 Jan 2017 7.47pm)

Calm down dear.

The false premise that humanity is divided into races or that humans in general are a race.
It is all unscientific tosh and therefore means that the word racist or racialist are based on a false assumption.

Naturally humans will find all sorts of ways to divide each other. That's what we do. Unless of course, we have a mutual interest that outweighs that predisposition. The fascinating part is where that tipping point lies and what determines it.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 17 10.17pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Calm down dear. The false premise that humanity is divided into races or that humans in general are a race. It is all unscientific tosh and therefore means that the word racist or racialist are based on a false assumption. Naturally humans will find all sorts of ways to divide each other. That's what we do. Unless of course, we have a mutual interest that outweighs that predisposition. The fascinating part is where that tipping point lies and what determines it. Next week, Hrolfs treatise on why it's rotten that phrenology gets a bad press.
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Shizzlehurst 06 Jan 17 10.17pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Calm down dear.

Next week, Hrolfs treatise on why it's rotten that phrenology gets a bad press.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jan 17 10.52pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Next week, Hrolfs treatise on why it's rotten that phrenology gets a bad press. This week Gusset displays his ignorance of science. You can do my Horoscope if it makes you feel better and then tell me how aliens are silly but speaking to the dead is really real "Cause my cousin went to a seance once and they knew all about uncle Nigel". Or maybe how God spoke to you once through the TV and told you to save the world with socialism.
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06 Jan 17 10.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Next week, Hrolfs treatise on why it's rotten that phrenology gets a bad press.

This week Gusset displays his ignorance of science.

You can do my Horoscope if it makes you feel better and then tell me how aliens are silly but speaking to the dead is really real "Cause my cousin went to a seance once and they knew all about uncle Nigel".

Or maybe how God spoke to you once through the TV and told you to save the world with socialism.

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