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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 21 Dec 16 11.05am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

If he's a even a terrorist. Just because IS claim responsibility doesn't actually mean they were behind it. They've claimed responsibility before for things that they weren't involved in planning, recruiting or supplying logistics to. Islamist groups often claim an action ideologically.

Now I do think its more likely than not linked to Islamanutbarc**ts due to Bastille, but its unusual in that the driver ran off, and was armed, rather than 'going down taking as many with him as possible'

Wait, are you blaming ISIS for the French Revolution? I knew it! The b******s...

Or worse still, they didn't release that f*cking Pompeii song did they? As if they couldn't get any worse...

 


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Originally posted by serial thriller

Wait, are you blaming ISIS for the French Revolution? I knew it! The b******s...

Or worse still, they didn't release that f*cking Pompeii song did they? As if they couldn't get any worse...

Bastille should avoid releasing a cover of 'Truck Driver' in France.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

If he's a even a terrorist. Just because IS claim responsibility doesn't actually mean they were behind it. They've claimed responsibility before for things that they weren't involved in planning, recruiting or supplying logistics to. Islamist groups often claim an action ideologically.

Now I do think its more likely than not linked to Islamanutbarc**ts due to Bastille, but its unusual in that the driver ran off, and was armed, rather than 'going down taking as many with him as possible'

I'm not really sure what difference it makes if he was IS lead or a lone wolf Islamic nutjob. The result is the same and driven by the same religious allegiance and hatred of the West.
I don't really understand the desire to compartmentalise these attacks in order to somehow dilute the reality that they were all committed by Islamic immigrants. Who does it serve to do that?
The simple fact is that had those immigrants not been in Europe, none of these attacks would have happened, which was the thrust of the argument to deny them access in the first place. The argument that was branded as paranoid and racist as you will remember.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm not really sure what difference it makes if he was IS lead or a lone wolf Islamic nutjob. The result is the same and driven by the same religious allegiance and hatred of the West.
I don't really understand the desire to compartmentalise these attacks in order to somehow dilute the reality that they were all committed by Islamic immigrants. Who does it serve to do that?
The simple fact is that had those immigrants not been in Europe, none of these attacks would have happened, which was the thrust of the argument to deny them access in the first place. The argument that was branded as paranoid and racist as you will remember.

That's a rather simplistic argument, and really only applicable in specific cases, with hindsight. Its also worth noting that of course without immigration any number of good or vital roles fulfilled by muslims, such as doctors or surgeons, would also have not occurred. And bear in mind that the NHS is dependent on migrant workers and employs a vast range of foreign doctors.

You're simplifying the concept of immigration down to a single factor, in order to establish your agenda, rather than exploring it in a wider context.

Yes, some migrants are a threat to people in a society, but how many are a boon? And not just economically, but functionally as well.

Certainly I believe that anyone who is applying for immigration who can be show to a reasonable degree to have involvement with Islamist terror such as IS should be have their status revoked, and either be deported (if they aren't prepared to turn informant).

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

That's a rather simplistic argument, and really only applicable in specific cases, with hindsight. Its also worth noting that of course without immigration any number of good or vital roles fulfilled by muslims, such as doctors or surgeons, would also have not occurred. And bear in mind that the NHS is dependent on migrant workers and employs a vast range of foreign doctors.

You're simplifying the concept of immigration down to a single factor, in order to establish your agenda, rather than exploring it in a wider context.

Yes, some migrants are a threat to people in a society, but how many are a boon? And not just economically, but functionally as well.

Certainly I believe that anyone who is applying for immigration who can be show to a reasonable degree to have involvement with Islamist terror such as IS should be have their status revoked, and either be deported (if they aren't prepared to turn informant).

I don't think that anyone could reasonably make a case for a blanket ban on all Muslims but certainly a highly selective process for all immigrants would be favourable and would have almost certainly prevented the atrocities we have experienced. There is no hindsight involved in this at all as it was predicted by many including myself. To suggest otherwise is just arse covering. There is certainly not just a single factor for the argument against mass immigration but there is no better one than preventing citizens from being murdered en masse. To argue otherwise is to suggest that these mass murders are acceptable collateral for a short term propping up of the economy.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't think that anyone could reasonably make a case for a blanket ban on all Muslims but certainly a highly selective process for all immigrants would be favourable and would have almost certainly prevented the atrocities we have experienced. There is no hindsight involved in this at all as it was predicted by many including myself. To suggest otherwise is just arse covering. There is certainly not just a single factor for the argument against mass immigration but there is no better one than preventing citizens from being murdered en masse. To argue otherwise is to suggest that these mass murders are acceptable collateral for a short term propping up of the economy.

What percentage of muslims are extremists?

A few years old but gives a picture... [Link]

Edited by nickgusset (21 Dec 2016 1.45pm)

 


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Originally posted by nickgusset

What percentage of muslims are extremists?

A few years old but gives a picture... [Link]

Edited by nickgusset (21 Dec 2016 1.45pm)

Same picture, different interpretation.
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Edited by hedgehog50 (21 Dec 2016 2.12pm)

 

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List of terrorist incidents in December 2016. [Link]

Spot the common denominator...

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't think that anyone could reasonably make a case for a blanket ban on all Muslims but certainly a highly selective process for all immigrants would be favourable and would have almost certainly prevented the atrocities we have experienced. There is no hindsight involved in this at all as it was predicted by many including myself. To suggest otherwise is just arse covering. There is certainly not just a single factor for the argument against mass immigration but there is no better one than preventing citizens from being murdered en masse. To argue otherwise is to suggest that these mass murders are acceptable collateral for a short term propping up of the economy.

I think that's more or less reasonable. I generally don't hold with the idea that mass immigration is good either for the nation of the migrants, or the recipient and that the process must be selective towards the long term interests of both contributing and accepting nations.

The question of being murdered en masse, is a bit questionable, given that risk must be compensated for by the number of lives that are also saved as a result of migration.

But I'd generally agree that restrictions and regulation on any system are necessary to prevent abuse.

 


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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

List of terrorist incidents in December 2016. [Link]

Spot the common denominator...

Unsurprising. Although arguably Iraq and Syria aren't really terrorism, as its more related to an ongoing military conflict.

Also the shootings in Zurich yesterday, in which someone opened fire on an Mosque, aren't likely to end up classed as terrorism. Nor will the attacks of the National Socialist Underground in Germany. They tend to get recorded as crimes.

Similarly Thomas Muir, Brevik and the attempted murder by National Action member Zack Davies or the murder Mohammed Saleem tend to get listed more as crimes rather than terrorism.

Simiarly when there is a backlash and right wing groups start targeting Muslims its reported not as terrorism, but hate crimes at best.

The Dresden mosque bombings in September this year were classed as arson attacks, despite links to far right nationalist politics, and targeting mosques in Germany.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (21 Dec 2016 2.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

List of terrorist incidents in December 2016. [Link]

Spot the common denominator...

so all of the school/shopping mall/public place shootings in the US, UK, Germany and elsewhere by white locals aren't the same? They're exactly the same, they cause terror but as usual the colour of ones skin determines which law will apply to you in the UK.

 

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Originally posted by europalace

so all of the school/shopping mall/public place shootings in the US, UK, Germany and elsewhere by white locals aren't the same? They're exactly the same, they cause terror but as usual the colour of ones skin determines which law will apply to you in the UK.

The link clearly refers to terrorist attacks in December 2016 and mentions lone wolves etc, plus right wing extremists in previous months. What information is missing? Does it not suit your narrative?

Edited by Penge Eagle (21 Dec 2016 3.09pm)

 


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