You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > PSHE Bill 'Filibustered' by Conservative MPs
June 23 2024 10.31pm

PSHE Bill 'Filibustered' by Conservative MPs

Previous Topic | Next Topic


Page 2 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >

 

View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Jan 17 12.47pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Well done, Nick! The voice of common sense and real experience in life who likewise understands the consequences of last Friday's crazy behaviour in the House of Commons. Other core themes to PSHE curriculum include health and well-being as well as living in the wider world (including economic wellbeing and aspects of careers education).

Perhaps Matt also believes that parents are just as capable of exercising sound judgment as to how their offspring receive adequate access to active healthy lifestyle provision when the evidence is all around us as to spiralling levels of childhood obesity.


I am a reasonable man and will ask you for a third time why teachers are better at delivering sex education than parents?

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 1.36pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

I am a reasonable man and will ask you for a third time why teachers are better at delivering sex education than parents?

There are many teachers who would do a terrible job at teaching PSHE, so in that sense you are not wrong! In my last school I led on the PSHE curriculum and organised it's delivery across the school. It involved a lot more than sex education, things that some parents may not know how or what to teach their own children. that's not disrespectful to parents or limiting choice, if left to parents that also may limit the choice of what their children learn. Many children don't want to talk to their parents (and vice versa) about STI's, p***. grooming etc.

So the reason I think it is should be taught in schools (for which when I led it we oftenused outside speakers who were trained in certain aspects, such as doctors and nurses, counsellors,police officers etc) and every child was given an equal and broad PSHE education.
Which for me is what is important, that young people all have an opportunity to access the same education.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Jan 17 1.44pm

Originally posted by A_JsShorts

There are many teachers who would do a terrible job at teaching PSHE, so in that sense you are not wrong! In my last school I led on the PSHE curriculum and organised it's delivery across the school. It involved a lot more than sex education, things that some parents may not know how or what to teach their own children. that's not disrespectful to parents or limiting choice, if left to parents that also may limit the choice of what their children learn. Many children don't want to talk to their parents (and vice versa) about STI's, p***. grooming etc.

So the reason I think it is should be taught in schools (for which when I led it we oftenused outside speakers who were trained in certain aspects, such as doctors and nurses, counsellors,police officers etc) and every child was given an equal and broad PSHE education.
Which for me is what is important, that young people all have an opportunity to access the same education.

Well put. Not bad for someone with a sense of victimhood and entitlement.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 22 Jan 17 2.16pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

I am a reasonable man and will ask you for a third time why teachers are better at delivering sex education than parents?

I second that one....as I cannot see for the life of me why any child would want a teacher to tell him/her if she is a male or a female. No wonder so many kids think they are in the wrong bodies. It never happened 50 years ago the world has gone mad!

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Jan 17 2.24pm

Originally posted by susmik

I second that one....as I cannot see for the life of me why any child would want a teacher to tell him/her if she is a male or a female. No wonder so many kids think they are in the wrong bodies. It never happened 50 years ago the world has gone mad!

where and when has this happened Mike?

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Quote this post in a reply
View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 2.29pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

I second that one....as I cannot see for the life of me why any child would want a teacher to tell him/her if she is a male or a female. No wonder so many kids think they are in the wrong bodies. It never happened 50 years ago the world has gone mad!

And this sadly is where you are ignorant of what is actually taught in PSHE lessons.

I've encountered two boys in my 8 years who have chosen to wear girls uniform and be called by a girls name. Whether they go on to have gender reassignment surgery or chose to live their life as a transgender person is nothing to do with school.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Jan 17 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

You really should have picked a better argument than that.

That is deeply offensive to parents, smacks of social engineering and limits parental choice.

And judging by the quality of posts on here by teachers, yourself included, convince me that teachers are better at doing this than parents. Teachers cannot appear to spell or understand the difference between the trade and budget deficit's. Why should they be trusted with sex education?


Speaking for others again, Matthew, and for a group of which you are not part of.

But thanks for your concern.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]


Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Jan 17 2.54pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8


Speaking for others again, Matthew, and for a group of which you are not part of.

But thanks for your concern.

I knew you would pipe up. Once again not adding to the debate but looking to throw a few insults around.

Anyway, I find myself as a stepfather these days. Strange innit, life.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Jan 17 3.02pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by A_JsShorts

There are many teachers who would do a terrible job at teaching PSHE, so in that sense you are not wrong! In my last school I led on the PSHE curriculum and organised it's delivery across the school. It involved a lot more than sex education, things that some parents may not know how or what to teach their own children. that's not disrespectful to parents or limiting choice, if left to parents that also may limit the choice of what their children learn. Many children don't want to talk to their parents (and vice versa) about STI's, p***. grooming etc.

So the reason I think it is should be taught in schools (for which when I led it we oftenused outside speakers who were trained in certain aspects, such as doctors and nurses, counsellors,police officers etc) and every child was given an equal and broad PSHE education.
Which for me is what is important, that young people all have an opportunity to access the same education.

Good answer, Soph. My point was two fold, surely parents should be given a choice on whether this is taught at school. There are many parents who would not want their kids taught it at school and I do believe that their wishes should be respected. Secondly, I am not sure that teachers are the right people to do this all the time. The outside speakers, such as health care professionals, is a good example of how it could be done.

Teaching respect of others to eliminate bullying is important. Whether the kid is fat, ginger, a 'gaylord' (80's schoolyard slang) or wears the 2017 version of Simod trainers, one would hope that there is a government initiative to give kids the tools to deal with it.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship. - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 22 Jan 17 3.05pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Parents are allowed to opt out their kids from the lessons if they so wish.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]


Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View Southampton_Eagle's Profile Southampton_Eagle Flag At the after party 22 Jan 17 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Southampton_Eagle Add Southampton_Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by susmik

I second that one....as I cannot see for the life of me why any child would want a teacher to tell him/her if she is a male or a female. No wonder so many kids think they are in the wrong bodies. It never happened 50 years ago the world has gone mad!

F*cking hell mate

School doesn't teach you what sexuality you are, society as a whole is a lot more liberal than when you was a confused teen which I expect was the late fifties.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply
View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 3.21pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Good answer, Soph. My point was two fold, surely parents should be given a choice on whether this is taught at school. There are many parents who would not want their kids taught it at school and I do believe that their wishes should be respected. Secondly, I am not sure that teachers are the right people to do this all the time. The outside speakers, such as health care professionals, is a good example of how it could be done.

Teaching respect of others to eliminate bullying is important. Whether the kid is fat, ginger, a 'gaylord' (80's schoolyard slang) or wears the 2017 version of Simod trainers, one would hope that there is a government initiative to give kids the tools to deal with it.

Kermit is right, a schools PSHE policy should be freely available for parents to read, as all policies are and if a parent does not wish for their child to participate then they can withdraw their child if they want. I've never come across a parent making that request myself.

 

Alert Alert a moderator to this post Edit this post Quote this post in a reply

 

Page 2 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

You are here: Home > Message Board > News & Politics > PSHE Bill 'Filibustered' by Conservative MPs