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View matt_himself's Profile matt_himself Flag Matataland 22 Jan 17 3.26pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by A_JsShorts

Kermit is right, a schools PSHE policy should be freely available for parents to read, as all policies are and if a parent does not wish for their child to participate then they can withdraw their child if they want. I've never come across a parent making that request myself.

Wasn't the proposed bill going to make it mandatory, in the same way English and Maths is a mandatory subject?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Jan 17 3.31pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Wasn't the proposed bill going to make it mandatory, in the same way English and Maths is a mandatory subject?

It's phse not just s.

 

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View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 3.46pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Wasn't the proposed bill going to make it mandatory, in the same way English and Maths is a mandatory subject?

Mandatory to offer it. Not mandatory for every child to participate, same as religious education.

I'd have to read the whole thing but that's my take on it.

 

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View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 3.54pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

Yeah I've just read the bill and it's to require all schools to offer and deliver PSHE in whichever way that they choose. Couldn't see anything that suggested children would be forced to participate if their parents didn't want them to.

 

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View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 4.00pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

Very few schools teach it as a subject on its own as a timetabled lesson like English and Maths. It's usually taught in drop days where timetables are collapsed or in tutor times for example. There are it assessments for it. So it can't be compared to core subjects like maths and english. I don't know how it is taught in primary school, I have no idea how it's taught at Evans school!

 

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View susmik's Profile susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 22 Jan 17 4.23pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by A_JsShorts

And this sadly is where you are ignorant of what is actually taught in PSHE lessons.

I've encountered two boys in my 8 years who have chosen to wear girls uniform and be called by a girls name. Whether they go on to have gender reassignment surgery or chose to live their life as a transgender person is nothing to do with school.

No I am not ignorant as you put it as many schools are now talking about gender "mal functions" which I think is rather stupid. These boys/girls should be told what their different body parts they have show what gender they are. So many kids nowadays get the idea sewn into their heads that they should change gender. It is very sad as 90% of the ones who want change do not know what they really want. Sign of the times I am afraid.

 


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View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 4.37pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

But they do learn about male and female body parts in biology. I'm interested in what you say though as I've not come across it, so if you could point me in the direction of some information about this then it would be useful for me. Thanks &#128522;

 

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View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 4.38pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

If a young person makes it known that they are gender confused then hey are referred to outside agencies that specifically deal with this. No-one in a school would be qualified in that capacity.

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 22 Jan 17 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Wasn't the proposed bill going to make it mandatory, in the same way English and Maths is a mandatory subject?

At present, no school has to teach PSHE as it is NOT a statutory curriculum subject. Even DfE has effectively outsourced responsibility for the curriculum to partially state funded advisory body, PSHE Association.

Even from this Bill, it is only likely to attain FOUNDATION subject status as opposed to CORE subject status therefore rendering the subject virtually glossed over by Ofsted - see Primary PE & Sports Premium that the tax payer covers and that is being used by too many state schools to offset core budget cuts = don't wholly believe what is provided online as a measure of 'true' spend and impact, and certainly sustainability.

In defence of Matt's comments, there is a reported lack in teaching and learning standards as researched by HMI:

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But then you have to explore the lack of wisdom from previous Govt Ministers including Nicky 'Utterly bumptious yet provenly out of touch & incompetent' Morgan:

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'40% of PSHE teaching is less than good. As such, while we will continue to keep the status of PSHE in the curriculum under review, our immediate focus will be on improving the quality of PSHE teaching in our schools.'....AND SHE DIDN'T!

Schools are consequently focused upon HMI inspection priorities and league tables therefore quality of PSHE education from ALL schools is never going to excel until DfE makes it a required priority. Surely children's health and well-being IS a priority and a major gateway to improved behaviour; attainment and achievement. I haven't suggested that ALL parents are feckless to teach their children the important stages in life development, but c'mon...we could ALL benefit from learning further but better still working in collaboration. But Ministers are blind to the reality of what children and young people earnestly need in terms of whole person development as a key stepping stone to contentment and then achievement. Meanwhile, our schools have no other option than to test their little darlings to the hilt....

 

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 22 Jan 17 5.21pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Well done, Nick! The voice of common sense and real experience in life who likewise understands the consequences of last Friday's crazy behaviour in the House of Commons. Other core themes to PSHE curriculum include health and well-being as well as living in the wider world (including economic wellbeing and aspects of careers education).

Perhaps Matt also believes that parents are just as capable of exercising sound judgment as to how their offspring receive adequate access to active healthy lifestyle provision when the evidence is all around us as to spiralling levels of childhood obesity.


Real experience in life ? How can teachers have real experience in life when they start school at the age of 4 and leave at 65 ?

 

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 22 Jan 17 5.35pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

Real experience in life ? How can teachers have real experience in life when they start school at the age of 4 and leave at 65 ?

Retire at 65? If only! We'll be literally pegging it in front of pupils eventually...

I also suggest that you study other comments and research everyday practice...

 

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View A_JsShorts's Profile A_JsShorts 22 Jan 17 5.46pm Send a Private Message to A_JsShorts Add A_JsShorts as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412

Real experience in life ? How can teachers have real experience in life when they start school at the age of 4 and leave at 65 ?

I started teaching at 28. Had a whole decade of "life experience" beforehand. In fact most teachers I know didn't start teaching straight out of uni either.

 

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