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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 26 Mar 17 1.51pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Not back tracking at all.....I repeat put yourself in the soldiers shoes AT THE TIME...FFS,and I have I called you silly or ignorant..no so less of the insults matey.

Frankly it costs nothing to apologise as you were entirely out of order.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Frankly it costs nothing to apologise as you were entirely out of order.

Apologise for what....or do you mean mcguinness. To late for that.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 17 2.00pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Before people get too self righteous,lets not overlook the report of the public inquiry into Bloody Sunday:

"The British government Tuesday released a damning report into the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, placing blame overwhelmingly on the British soldiers who killed 14 people in Northern Ireland that day.
The 1972 shootings at a civil rights march in Londonderry hardened anti-British sentiments in Northern Ireland, according to analysts, and led to many fresh recruits to the Irish Republican Army. Three decades of violence followed, known as The Troubles, in which almost 3,000 people died.


There was some provocation by the Irish Republican Army in Derry on that day, but nothing that justified the shootings of civilians, the report found.
British paratroopers on that day had no reason to believe they were under threat from the victims, gave no warnings before firing, and lied to the far-reaching official inquiry into the seminal event, the inquiry concluded.
Only one casualty was associated with the IRA, and he was probably not posing a threat when he was shot fatally, the report found.

Members of the British Army fired more than 100 rounds in violation of orders issued to every British soldier serving in Northern Ireland at the time, the report found.
Video: Inquiry blames UK soldiers Video: 'Bloody Sunday' inquiry
"Some members of our armed forces acted wrongly ... and for that, on behalf of the government, indeed on behalf of our country, I am deeply sorry," British Prime Minister David Cameron said after the release of the long-awaited report.

...report found no indication the soldiers were firing at people they thought were posing a threat or that they missed, the report said.
"All the casualties were either the intended target of the soldiers or the result of shots fired indiscriminately," it states.
And the soldiers in Derry that day who were interviewed by the inquiry lied in their testimony, the report added.
"Many of these soldiers have knowingly put forward false accounts in order to seek to justify their firing," it said."

Edited by legaleagle (26 Mar 2017 12.14pm)

Of course troops were sent to Northern Ireland in the first place to protect Catholics. The IRA then attacked the troops.
Of course Bloody Sunday was a bad incident, but no doubt Adams and McGuiness were cheered by it because of the propaganda benefits they could reap from it.

 


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Originally posted by legaleagle

Before people get too self righteous,lets not overlook the report of the public inquiry into Bloody Sunday:

"The British government Tuesday released a damning report into the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, placing blame overwhelmingly on the British soldiers who killed 14 people in Northern Ireland that day.
The 1972 shootings at a civil rights march in Londonderry hardened anti-British sentiments in Northern Ireland, according to analysts, and led to many fresh recruits to the Irish Republican Army. Three decades of violence followed, known as The Troubles, in which almost 3,000 people died.


There was some provocation by the Irish Republican Army in Derry on that day, but nothing that justified the shootings of civilians, the report found.
British paratroopers on that day had no reason to believe they were under threat from the victims, gave no warnings before firing, and lied to the far-reaching official inquiry into the seminal event, the inquiry concluded.
Only one casualty was associated with the IRA, and he was probably not posing a threat when he was shot fatally, the report found.

Members of the British Army fired more than 100 rounds in violation of orders issued to every British soldier serving in Northern Ireland at the time, the report found.
Video: Inquiry blames UK soldiers Video: 'Bloody Sunday' inquiry
"Some members of our armed forces acted wrongly ... and for that, on behalf of the government, indeed on behalf of our country, I am deeply sorry," British Prime Minister David Cameron said after the release of the long-awaited report.

...report found no indication the soldiers were firing at people they thought were posing a threat or that they missed, the report said.
"All the casualties were either the intended target of the soldiers or the result of shots fired indiscriminately," it states.
And the soldiers in Derry that day who were interviewed by the inquiry lied in their testimony, the report added.
"Many of these soldiers have knowingly put forward false accounts in order to seek to justify their firing," it said."

Edited by legaleagle (26 Mar 2017 12.14pm)

It's marvelous that we have such fair minded, unbiased and even handed posters.

It warms my heart.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 17 2.02pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I don't normally talk about my work on here.But,just to show quite the degree of ignorance behind your lazy and silly jibe ,I will this time (from my dining table in S London)...I acted for an ex-para in relation to the Inquiry...went to Derry and attended it...I suspect I therefore know somewhat more about it and the feelings of the paras involved than the likes of those writing from their dining tables in Bedford

Edited by legaleagle (26 Mar 2017 1.21pm)

You acted for a para! I assume you mean a parachute regiment soldier rather than a paramilitary terrorist - good grief, how many years has now served in prison? I bet you were just like those 'defence' lawyers at the Moscow Show Trials.


Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Mar 2017 2.26pm)

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's marvelous that we have such fair minded, unbiased and even handed posters.

It warms my heart.

The truth is just that not what we want to hear.

 

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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 26 Mar 17 2.49pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The truth is just that not what we want to hear.

As you have not answered yet I will ask you again,put yourself in the boots of the soldiers at the time,how do you know how you would react.

 


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legaleagle Flag 26 Mar 17 2.50pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Not back tracking at all.....I repeat put yourself in the soldiers shoes AT THE TIME...FFS,and I have I called you silly or ignorant..no so less of the insults matey.

and I have been referring to what paras told me they felt at the time.Who knows better about that,them or you?

Your first post "you and your like have no idea what those soldiers had in their mind the danger they must have felt.Easy to condem from the dining tables of Islington" was plain silly...trying to be clever but rebounding in on you...maybe think before trying to have a silly pop next time? Anyway,time to move on..

Edited by legaleagle (26 Mar 2017 3.00pm)

 

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legaleagle Flag 26 Mar 17 2.51pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

You acted for a para! I assume you mean a parachute regiment soldier rather than a paramilitary terrorist - good grief, how many years has now served in prison? I bet you were just like those 'defence' lawyers at the Moscow Show Trials.


Edited by hedgehog50 (26 Mar 2017 2.26pm)

You,my friend, have possible made one of your most inane posting yet (no mean feat)...

 

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legaleagle Flag 26 Mar 17 2.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's marvelous that we have such fair minded, unbiased and even handed posters.

It warms my heart.

Its from CNN,quoting directly from the conclusions of the Public Inquiry..

Its a pity some of our posters are so unfair minded,biased and non even handed,is it not

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

The truth is just that not what we want to hear.

What truth?

That conflict results in death and injury?

It is interesting though that despite all the murdering of civilians, policeman and soldiers that occurred during the troubles, some always want to focus on this event in particular.

 

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Originally posted by legaleagle

and I have been referring to what paras told me they felt at the time.Who knows better about that,them or you?

Exactly that's my point,and without reavling what he said,I'm sure it must have been something on the lines of sheer terror and confusion...if you bothered to read my first line of my first post,I stated that a lot of innocent lives were lost that day.
Instead you were to busy trying to belittle me and insult me.

Edited by elgrande (26 Mar 2017 2.56pm)

 


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