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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Truly amazing!
Ward, Punch and Dann all make our team - none have been capped.
Mark Bright and Jim Cannon were also never capped!
In no way whatsoever does not being capped for Argentina mean Speroni is/was no good.

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They all need upgrading dann lost his place. There's question over puncheon and ward place all season.

 


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Originally posted by Dan89

Whether that the case. Does that justify speroni being a prem number 1 in 2017.

You are ridiculous. Completely ignoring what people are saying. No one is suggesting Speroni is the first name on the sheet. People are saying he is a cheap Palace legend with a great work ethic who is capable and happy as a number three, much like Steve Harper has been. There will be few no. 3s with as much experience or ability. For the amount it costs and the benefits he brings to the squad it makes no sense to replace him as a 3rd choice. Same with Damo as 4th Choice CB. Why gut the dressing room, these are huge characters and managing a squad is more than just about getting the best 11 a club can afford.

You didn't say a goalkeeper like Hart or Begovic either, you said you wanted 'Begovic or Hart as number 1'

 

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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

You are ridiculous. Completely ignoring what people are saying. No one is suggesting Speroni is the first name on the sheet. People are saying he is a cheap Palace legend with a great work ethic who is capable and happy as a number three, much like Steve Harper has been. There will be few no. 3s with as much experience or ability. For the amount it costs and the benefits he brings to the squad it makes no sense to replace him as a 3rd choice. Same with Damo as 4th Choice CB. Why gut the dressing room, these are huge characters and managing a squad is more than just about getting the best 11 a club can afford.

You didn't say a goalkeeper like Hart or Begovic either, you said you wanted 'Begovic or Hart as number 1'[/quote
. I just stating my feeling on the original post. You claim they are huge leaders but that was not showing leadership under pardew. No I'm not a pardew fan. Don't worry, we stick with Delaney and speroni and turn down the likes of Gibson and begovic in the summer . Let's also stop at route through for the youth with Delaney as 4th choice centre half. He's 35 , I'm grateful what they both done for the club. Now the time to move on. The squad is old anyways dann (30), cabaye (31), puncheon (30) . There's another experience in the squad already.

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 26 Mar 17 7.36pm

Originally posted by Dan89

So according to you we offer speroni a new deal because of saves he made in 2015. That's was 2 half years ago. Football not a charity case it's a business. Speroni 37 and he had one very good season in the prem. The rest of his best years were in the championship. If you was in charge we'd still have ramage,Murray and jedinak. Get in the real world. You stand still in football. You go backwards


Read my text again! I have offered no opinion as to a new contract for Speroni.

What I stated was that to say a player is no good due to the fact he was not capped by Argentina is truly amazing!

 


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Originally posted by Dan89

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

You are ridiculous. Completely ignoring what people are saying. No one is suggesting Speroni is the first name on the sheet. People are saying he is a cheap Palace legend with a great work ethic who is capable and happy as a number three, much like Steve Harper has been. There will be few no. 3s with as much experience or ability. For the amount it costs and the benefits he brings to the squad it makes no sense to replace him as a 3rd choice. Same with Damo as 4th Choice CB. Why gut the dressing room, these are huge characters and managing a squad is more than just about getting the best 11 a club can afford.

You didn't say a goalkeeper like Hart or Begovic either, you said you wanted 'Begovic or Hart as number 1'[/quote
. I just stating my feeling on the original post. You claim they are huge leaders but that was not showing leadership under pardew. No I'm not a pardew fan. Don't worry, we stick with Delaney and speroni and turn down the likes of Gibson and begovic in the summer . Let's also stop at route through for the youth with Delaney as 4th choice centre half. He's 35 , I'm grateful what they both done for the club. Now the time to move on. The squad is old anyways dann (30), cabaye (31), puncheon (30) . There's another experience in the squad already.

When have I ever said that we don't sign Gibson or Begovic? It's not going to be a choice between Begovic and Speroni, or Damo and Gibson. We need a new CB to cover for Sakho when he leaves, and we need a reserve CB who won't play but is good enough for cover should we get 2 injuries. Begovic or Hart or whatever other name you want to pull out of thin air are the types of players who will want to play first team games or will leave, they are also unlike Jules, on enormous wages. Young keepers need to play to get better so having a young keeper as 3rd choice is pointless. Same goes with a reserve CB. As squad players, the benefits (financial, team spirit and proven at this level) to keeping them around outweigh the cons.

You don't seem to comprehend, no one is suggesting they are first teamers but they are good enough to make the 25, and probably happy to play a cover role. I think it's the first team and bench that needs an upgrade. Players like Hennessy and Ward are not good enough and Ledley, Sako, Campbell and Lee etc are also not good enough and they all probably want to play at this stage on their career and they are on quite large wages as we signed them in the PL. They are the problems in the squad.

 

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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

When have I ever said that we don't sign Gibson or Begovic? It's not going to be a choice between Begovic and Speroni, or Damo and Gibson. We need a new CB to cover for Sakho when he leaves, and we need a reserve CB who won't play but is good enough for cover should we get 2 injuries. Begovic or Hart or whatever other name you want to pull out of thin air are the types of players who will want to play first team games or will leave, they are also unlike Jules, on enormous wages. Young keepers need to play to get better so having a young keeper as 3rd choice is pointless. Same goes with a reserve CB. As squad players, the benefits (financial, team spirit and proven at this level) to keeping them around outweigh the cons.

You don't seem to comprehend, no one is suggesting they are first teamers but they are good enough to make the 25, and probably happy to play a cover role. I think it's the first team and bench that needs an upgrade. Players like Hennessy and Ward are not good enough and Ledley, Sako, Campbell and Lee etc are also not good enough and they all probably want to play at this stage on their career and they are on quite large wages as we signed them in the PL. They are the problems in the squad.

. It's time we starting a pathway for our young players a route in the first team(if good enough). For me this is the weakest squad, we had since promotion. In terms of strength in depth. Players like Ledley,Kelly,Campbell,lee,mutch and even Delaney are championship players. What's the point in keeping players that nowhere good enough for the first team like Delaney if we're in the prem. The average age of the squad is 28.4 years old. Which will increase keeping the likes of Delaney and speroni.

talksport.com/football/every-premier-league-squads-average-age-ranked-oldest-youngest-170322232395?p=4

 


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Originally posted by Dan89

. It's time we starting a pathway for our young players a route in the first team(if good enough). For me this is the weakest squad, we had since promotion. In terms of strength in depth. Players like Ledley,Kelly,Campbell,lee,mutch and even Delaney are championship players. What's the point in keeping players that nowhere good enough for the first team like Delaney if we're in the prem. The average age of the squad is 28.4 years old. Which will increase keeping the likes of Delaney and speroni.

talksport.com/football/every-premier-league-squads-average-age-ranked-oldest-youngest-170322232395?p=4

This squad is by far the strongest since promotion , that comment is laughable , unless of course you think , players like okeefe are better than McCarthur , ramage Better than dann , price better than speroni , kebe better than Sako , Ledley can't currently make the squad and he's better than kg who was first choice , Delaney is now 4th choice centre back and he was first team , infact until we signed dann he was our best cb.

 

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Originally posted by comeonyoueagles20

This squad is by far the strongest since promotion , that comment is laughable , unless of course you think , players like okeefe are better than McCarthur , ramage Better than dann , price better than speroni , kebe better than Sako , Ledley can't currently make the squad and he's better than kg who was first choice , Delaney is now 4th choice centre back and he was first team , infact until we signed dann he was our best cb.


. I didn't state that kebe,o'keefe or price are better.
Yeah it strong now. It was verified by big Sam in Jan.You can't tell that the squad was strong at the start of the season. When we were relying on Ledley and Sako filling voids left by jedinak and bolaisie. Swapping Dwight Gayle for an injury prone remy or a unaffective Campbell. Only one recognised left back.

 


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Originally posted by comeonyoueagles20

This squad is by far the strongest since promotion , that comment is laughable , unless of course you think , players like okeefe are better than McCarthur , ramage Better than dann , price better than speroni , kebe better than Sako , Ledley can't currently make the squad and he's better than kg who was first choice , Delaney is now 4th choice centre back and he was first team , infact until we signed dann he was our best cb.

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Originally posted by Dan89


. I didn't state that kebe,o'keefe or price are better.
Yeah it strong now. It was verified by big Sam in Jan.You can't tell that the squad was strong at the start of the season. When we were relying on Ledley and Sako filling voids left by jedinak and bolaisie. Swapping Dwight Gayle for an injury prone remy or a unaffective Campbell. Only one recognised left back.

you stated this is the weakest squad in terms of depth since promotion , it isn't , it's the strongest. It may not have been in some areas in the summer , but that has been addressed.

 

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Originally posted by Dan89


. I didn't state that kebe,o'keefe or price are better.
Yeah it strong now. It was verified by big Sam in Jan.You can't tell that the squad was strong at the start of the season. When we were relying on Ledley and Sako filling voids left by jedinak and bolaisie. Swapping Dwight Gayle for an injury prone remy or a unaffective Campbell. Only one recognised left back.

About 3 posts earlier you stated

So according to you we offer speroni a new deal because of saves he made in 2015. That's was 2 half years ago. Football not a charity case it's a business. Speroni 37 and he had one very good season in the prem. The rest of his best years were in the championship. If you was in charge we'd still have ramage,Murray and jedinak. Get in the real world. You stand still in football. You go backwards.


So Jedinak was a void that needed to be filled (which he was) but at the same time was crap.

I'd suggest you understand sod all of the dynamics of human nature as well and as to how groups of people interact with one another. The best players are not always the best leaders and Jedinak wasn't the most technically gifted footballer at the club but he was a personality and a leader and wasn't adequately replaced in that respect either.

 

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Originally posted by robdave2k

About 3 posts earlier you stated

So according to you we offer speroni a new deal because of saves he made in 2015. That's was 2 half years ago. Football not a charity case it's a business. Speroni 37 and he had one very good season in the prem. The rest of his best years were in the championship. If you was in charge we'd still have ramage,Murray and jedinak. Get in the real world. You stand still in football. You go backwards.


So Jedinak was a void that needed to be filled (which he was) but at the same time was crap.

I'd suggest you understand sod all of the dynamics of human nature as well and as to how groups of people interact with one another. The best players are not always the best leaders and Jedinak wasn't the most technically gifted footballer at the club but he was a personality and a leader and wasn't adequately replaced in that respect either.

I didn't once called jedinak crap. Jedinak the best leader we've had in my lifetime of supporting Palace. He was not adequately replaced in the summer window with his leadership and his position. Now we have luka. So let's move on.

Edited by Dan89 (27 Mar 2017 2.44pm)

 


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