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 Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 28 Mar 17 11.42pm |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
So we are allowed to sink to their level? We don't have to abide by the rules of the Geneva convention because they don't? We can rape their women and if we want we can strap bombs to our chests and blow ourselves up in their public places because they do? What a stupid argument Wind your neck in. Of course we should adhere to the rule of law & 99% of the time our troops do & usually under great provocation. The problem is that while our guys fight fair our enemy doesn't & they are not helped by lily livered politicians supposedly on our side hanging our troops out to dry by not allowing them to do what they do best which is fight.
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jamiemartin721  Reading 29 Mar 17 9.58am |
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle
Set to be released within weeks. Pretty sensitive topic but I can't see a thread on it. Personally think the ruling is a bit of a joke. I can't see how the horrors of war can justify dragging an enemy behind a drystone wall out of the sight of the helicopter, quoting Shakespeare, executing the PoW and then telling the squad mates that the Geneva convention was broken and to keep schtum. I know Royal Marines who are offended by this ruling. They went through the same sh*t and never committed war crimes. I can't pretend to know the horrible situation of servicemen and women in these places, however we have the most professional army in the world who are schooled on the right way to act. This clearly wasn't a snap decision, the effort to cover his tracks prove this was premeditated. There was a lot of pressure from the docks and the press for this ruling and I don't think it was the right one. He certainly isn't a hero in any case. Vehemently disagree? Agree? Discuss Probably the right decision. Essentially his sentence was reduced to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility, and potentially time served, and a discharge on the basis of mental health issues. The question really is whether or not this should have been the defence from the start, and whether you should be able to change your plea on appeal.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Mar 17 10.03am |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Wind your neck in. Of course we should adhere to the rule of law & 99% of the time our troops do & usually under great provocation. The problem is that while our guys fight fair our enemy doesn't & they are not helped by lily livered politicians supposedly on our side hanging our troops out to dry by not allowing them to do what they do best which is fight. Yeah but you take that away, when you have an 'invisible enemy' and you just end up racking up civilian casualties (ala Vietnam). Its a very difficult situation we put people into and we most certainly should be much more careful about why we send men off to fight. But you can't ignore the rule of law when its convenient, the law is the law, otherwise next time its 98% of the time and so on.
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| bexleydave Barnehurst 29 Mar 17 10.25am |
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At the time I thought he was totally wrong and that there was no choice but to convict for murder for, what was undoubtedly a breach of the Geneva Convention. Having now heard more of the conversation that precedes it and from witnesses, he really was in a cleft stick. Those whom he was senior to, and who were younger, didn't want to call in a medivac for the prisoner because of the risks to colleagues who would have to undertake it. By air there was a risk of a helicopter being shot down and the road still hadn't been cleared of IEDs because this group had come under fire whilst trying to do so. Other colleagues were talking about shooting the prisoner and it was pretty clear that he wouldn't have been too popular if he had ordered up a medical team. In the circumstances, and taking into account any psychological condition he may have been suffering, the reduction to manslaughter was probably a fair outcome.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 29 Mar 17 10.25am |
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Has to be the right decision in the end. A panel of medical experts have determined that he was of diminshed responsibility. He has acknowledged he did wrong and shown regret/remorse. On that basis it sort of has to be manslaughter and given time served he will be out shortly. And the rule of law will have been respected and upheld, even when it applies to our soldiers. Which helps demonstrate we are able to be better rather than the horrific suggestion of executing PoWs.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 29 Mar 17 10.57am |
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A soldier shot and killed an enemy combatant. The only thing he did wrong was f***ing film it and talk about the Geneva convention. keeps his mouth shut, and tells the lads to turn away. Then claims an ND whoops a dazy.
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| Hoof Hearted 29 Mar 17 11.55am | |
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I'm sure all you liberal namby pambys would have been happier if Sgt Blackman had tried to administer first aid to the guy (who was dying anyway) and then called for a chopper to carry the injured Taliban guy away to safety.... meanwhile the other Taliban guys lie in wait with Rocket Launchers to take out even more of our troops and equipment. Geneva Convention my arse.... the Taliban have no rules of engagement or sense of fair play... they don't even say pardon when they fart in front of a lady. Sgt Blackman deserved a commendation for his endeavours not a jail sentence.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 Mar 17 12.04pm |
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It would appear that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply in this case. "The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation "accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions.[14]" I strongly doubt if the Taliban either accepts or applies its provisions.
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| Hoof Hearted 29 Mar 17 12.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
It would appear that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply in this case. "The Conventions apply to a signatory nation even if the opposing nation is not a signatory, but only if the opposing nation "accepts and applies the provisions" of the Conventions.[14]" I strongly doubt if the Taliban either accepts or applies its provisions. THere probably isn't a phrase that covers it in their language.... "Shabbaly duck duck... blah blah" they say as they light their tuareg fires...
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| legaleagle 29 Mar 17 12.25pm |
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. Edited by legaleagle (29 Mar 2017 12.27pm)
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 Mar 17 12.35pm |
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War, by its very definition, is a breakdown of civilised discourse. Acts are committed by both sides that, during peacetime, would be considered unacceptable. In the heat of battle, decisions are frequently forced on participants without the luxury of being able to carefully think through the consequences. Bad things often happen. Sgt Blackman clearly saw many bad things happening. To this extent, he is very much a victim of war. No-one is seeking to commend what he did but perhaps a little more appreciation of the situation he found himself in wouldn't go amiss.
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| Hoof Hearted 29 Mar 17 12.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
War, by its very definition, is a breakdown of civilised discourse. Acts are committed by both sides that, during peacetime, would be considered unacceptable. In the heat of battle, decisions are frequently forced on participants without the luxury of being able to carefully think through the consequences. Bad things often happen. Sgt Blackman clearly saw many bad things happening. To this extent, he is very much a victim of war. No-one is seeking to commend what he did but perhaps a little more appreciation of the situation he found himself in wouldn't go amiss. THat "dot" by legaleagle really irked you Dermot didn't it. I found it to be a rather flippant response!
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