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I was born in 1969, which means that I grew up in a different culture within Britain. Not a perfect time as no time is but definitely a different one. In my view in some ways much better and some ways more flawed than this one.

One of the big problems I have with today's prevailing culture though is just how much the bar has shifted against masculinity.

It's like the concept is now some kind of dirty word. As if a male acting upon his nature is somehow in excess or in error of what is ok.

I've come across this change in cultural attitude and while I see the sense in a little of it I think it's gone way overboard.

Obviously...there can be issues and there is a discussion to be had, for example, about excess behaviour in males which drives more crime in society.

However, I also believe that this cultural shift against masculinity...this propaganda for a kind of overly neutered masculinity has also been unfairly damaging to many men, even boys in schools. It has gone beyond moderating behaviours.....It's an attack on maleness.

It's a kind of attack against nature.

The dawn of the wimp along with feminism hasn't only righted a balance but it has tipped the scales far in excess for a healthy relationship with gender natures.


Edited by Stirlingsays (02 May 2017 2.59pm)

 

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Sounds interesting, any specific examples?

 

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Originally posted by JusticeToad

Sounds interesting, any specific examples?

Seriously?

Yeah there are many, both personal experience and from the media and professions.

I'm interested, are you saying that you don't observe what I'm saying?

 

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If you want specific examples then I can direct you to an article which pretty much inspired the original post.

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I could give you my personal experiences and what I notice in society in its attitudes towards males today...But I think the article is more articulate than myself.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I was born in 1969, which means that I grew up in a different culture within Britain. Not a perfect time as no time is but definitely a different one. In my view in some ways much better and some ways more flawed than this one.

So you're only two years older than me!

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
One of the big problems I have with today's prevailing culture though is just how much the bar has shifted against masculinity.

Has it, or has the definition of masculinity become more informed from critical perspectives, both within and without. Personally, I don't really ascribe to the idea of machismo, despite it making for some great literature.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's like the concept is now some kind of dirty word. As if a male acting upon his nature is somehow in excess or in error of what is ok.

Can you define what you mean by 'his nature'. Human nature is a remarkably complicated, we aren't simply biologically defined in terms of personality traits.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I've come across this change in cultural attitude and while I see the sense in a little of it I think it's gone way overboard.

Such as. I think some times people can go too far into the absurd, but I think also that some elements of masculine culture can be experienced very differently by other males and especially by women.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Obviously...there can be issues and there is a discussion to be had, for example, about excess behaviour in males which drives more crime in society

Its an interesting point, why are almost all violent criminals and sex offenders men. Crimes committed by women, not all women, but most, tend to be relatively minor.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

However, I also believe that this cultural shift against masculinity...this propaganda for a kind of overly neutered masculinity has also been unfairly damaging to many men, even boys in schools. It has gone beyond moderating behaviours.....It's an attack on maleness.

It odd, I think its liberating not to have to conform to specific socially definitions of 'what makes you a man'. Is it damaging to critically assess male power and male identity in society? Why is that damaging to 'be responsible for your own actions and being' surely that's better than being determined entirely by biological impulses.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a kind of attack against nature.

Masculinity is not a product of nature, its a social construction because it relates to personality and identity, whilst there are some biological factors involved the degree to which these define complex factors of identity is unproven in individuals or groups - Only across a species paradigm. Biology doesn't deal with individuals, as such its not suited for defining and contrasting personality factors in humans, unless you can demonstrate their existence in 95% or so of a group (for example if 95% of men, irrespective of social factors, shared the same view of masculinity, then it would be valid).

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The dawn of the wimp along with feminism hasn't only righted a balance but it has tipped the scales far in excess for a healthy relationship with gender natures.

Nonsense, the problem is more an ignorance of feminism and a sense of hysteria among men about how the social shift in power has hit them. Obviously, there are some people among the more radical fringes who are crazy, but feminism informs us from an outsider perspective of what it is to be a man, from a woman's perspective - which is just as valid as a mans view. Feminism is just as critical of women, as men.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I was born in 1969, which means that I grew up in a different culture within Britain. Not a perfect time as no time is but definitely a different one. In my view in some ways much better and some ways more flawed than this one.

One of the big problems I have with today's prevailing culture though is just how much the bar has shifted against masculinity.

It's like the concept is now some kind of dirty word. As if a male acting upon his nature is somehow in excess or in error of what is ok.

I've come across this change in cultural attitude and while I see the sense in a little of it I think it's gone way overboard.

Obviously...there can be issues and there is a discussion to be had, for example, about excess behaviour in males which drives more crime in society.

However, I also believe that this cultural shift against masculinity...this propaganda for a kind of overly neutered masculinity has also been unfairly damaging to many men, even boys in schools. It has gone beyond moderating behaviours.....It's an attack on maleness.

It's a kind of attack against nature.

The dawn of the wimp along with feminism hasn't only righted a balance but it has tipped the scales far in excess for a healthy relationship with gender natures.


Edited by Stirlingsays (02 May 2017 2.59pm)

It's the rise of the abomination known as the "new man". Almost always sporting a wispy beard and describing himself as a "blogger".

 

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I saw a TV show once that predicted that we'd all eventually end up androgynous and ugly. I feel like I'm way ahead of my time.

Anyway, on the flip side TV shows and films such as 300, Vikings, Game of Thrones etc have at least resurrected the idea that real men ought to have beards and walk about swinging their d*cks.

Edited by Part Time James (02 May 2017 3.24pm)

 


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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

It's the rise of the abomination known as the "new man". Almost always sporting a wispy beard and describing himself as a "blogger".

A blog is no different to a diary and diaries are for teenage girls. No one that writes a blog or keeps a diary could ever call themself a man.

I'd go as far as to say that a man that writes a blog about vegan food should have to give up his b*llocks to someone that actually needs them.

 


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Originally posted by Part Time James

I saw a TV show once that predicted that we'd all eventually end up androgynous and ugly. I feel like I'm way ahead of my time.

Anyway, on the flip side TV shows and films such as 300, Vikings, Game of Thrones etc have at least resurrecting the idea that real men ought to have beards and walk about swinging their d*cks.

You're not a blogger. Therefore there's hope for you.

 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

You're not a blogger. Therefore there's hope for you.

The only blog I'd ever write would be about how self important bloggers are.

 


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Originally posted by Part Time James

I saw a TV show once that predicted that we'd all eventually end up androgynous and ugly. I feel like I'm way ahead of my time.

Anyway, on the flip side TV shows and films such as 300, Vikings, Game of Thrones etc have at least resurrecting the idea that real men ought to have beards and walk about swinging their d*cks.

Beckham's fault

And weirdy beardies with their frapplappacinos (this may or may not be based on my inability at the age of 52 to grow facial hair)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If you want specific examples then I can direct you to an article which pretty much inspired the original post.

[Link]

I could give you my personal experiences and what I notice in society in its attitudes towards males today...But I think the article is more articulate than myself.

I think you're more articulate than that article. Yes, its equally wrong to objectify men as women. The difference is maybe that the objectification of a man is 'a new experience', and has a novelty value.

For the record, feminism rejects the notion of objectifying anyone, or appealing to any stereotype.

There is a new trend of course, to try to insert social commentary by highlighting concepts that denigrate men, that effectively are reverse-predudice (such as 'surprise at a man who can cook, or clean') - Equally this is stupid.

Feminism is about the distribution of household labour, not that women shouldn't do it - Reasonable feminists would argue that its about not expecting it to be or defined as 'women's work'. There is nothing inherently wrong with someone who is at home whilst their partner is at work, taking on a greater distribution of housework.

Of course the butter ad and the scripts for Emerdale are only relevant if women specifically made those ads or wrote that joke. You have to remember that Butter Ads target women as a demographic, and most soaps fan base are women. Its a bit like women complaining that magazines aimed at men, lack advice about female health.

Most feminists complaint about p***.graphy and the objectification of women, was about being exposed to it on the cover of magazines and within newspapers - and that maybe children shouldn't be exposed to the cover of Mayfair glaring down from the top shelf or page three of The Sun - Because it creates the damaging notions of women in society.

I kind of agree. I don't have an issue with p***. I love it in fact, but I don't think people who don't like it should be exposed to it either, just because they happen to say be walking through WH Smiths.

 


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