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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 May 17 8.52pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Why doesn't it say it isn't a false flag - or say more accurately it is a load of b*ll**ks typical of the weasel words of what passes as the left these days trying to prove a square is a circle.

From the article In my view anyone making evidence-free claims that this was a Tory "false flag" attack against our own country is guilty of contaminating the political debate with extreme accusations

 

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View Y Ddraig Goch's Profile Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 24 May 17 8.52pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

And his father too......

Including the one older brother that is the set.

News were reporting that the dad has form for hate speech but o don't know how accurate that is

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Originally posted by Jimenez

They need to check his immigration status, Bullwhip him mercilessly then deport the c***.

Father lives in Libya doesn't he

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 24 May 17 8.56pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is like belief in God because you can't prove he doesn't exist.

Dumb.

Pascal's Wager?

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 24 May 17 9.21pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

From the article In my view anyone making evidence-free claims that this was a Tory "false flag" attack against our own country is guilty of contaminating the political debate with extreme accusations

Why not cut and paste the whole nasty bog of this extreme left wing nutcase so that people can see that he implies that the false flag accusations are true but it is tactically bad to say so.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 May 17 9.40pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Why not cut and paste the whole nasty bog of this extreme left wing nutcase so that people can see that he implies that the false flag accusations are true but it is tactically bad to say so.


I've seen rather a few people spreading the idea that the Manchester Arena atrocity was a "false flag" attack orchestrated by the British state in order to influence the outcome of the General Election in favour of the Tory party.

In this article I'm going to explain why I think that conspiracy theorising about "false flags" is deeply unhelpful, and look at the real political causes and the potential ramifications of such a serious terrorist attack at one of the pivotal moments of the 2017 election campaign.

Background

The five days before Salman Abedi killed at least 32 innocent people by blowing himself up at the Manchester Arena were nothing short of a political meltdown for the ruling Tory party.

Their near-universally hated policy of asset stripping people who need social care in order to fund even more corporate tax breaks was going down like a s*** pancake; their poll lead in England was evaporating, their poll lead in Wales completely reversed in a matter of days, their totally uncosted "magic money tree" manifesto was being ridiculed by all, Theresa May was clearly buckling badly under the pressure of some totally unexpected light criticism from regular Tory cheerleaders like Laura Kuenssberg and the Daily Mail.

A suspension of election campaigning couldn't possibly have come at a better time for the Tory party, which has led some to speculate that the bombing was a "false flag" attack.
Tory security cuts

It's undeniable that the Tory government have spent the last seven years putting their bonkers "let's cut our way to growth" ideological austerity agenda above the security needs of the nation.

They've imposed extreme cuts on the armed forces, the police, the emergency services, hospitals and the UK border agency.

Anyone who tries to deny these cuts have happened, or that such severe cuts could be made without consequences is lying through their teeth.

The Tories clearly put their economically illiterate cost-cutting drive way above the safety of the British public.

False flag?

There's a huge difference between noting that the Tories spent seven years endangering the British public cutting our security services and defunding our emergency services, and saying that they plotted this attack on purpose.

Just imagine the ramifications if they got caught out doing such a plot.

All it would take is one whistleblower or one bit of evidence, and they'd face universal condemnation.

Yes their poll lead had more than halved since the beginning of the election campaign, but would they really risk deliberately planning a terrorist attack against their own country to cling onto power?

That's an incredibly strong position to take with no evidence to back it up.
Discrediting others

In my view anyone making evidence-free claims that this was a Tory "false flag" attack against our own country is guilty of contaminating the political debate with extreme accusations.

By doing this they don't just discredit themselves, they discredit by false association all the reasonable people who oppose this horrifically malicious and incompetent Tory government.

The existence of these evidence-free smears can be picked up by pro-establishment lapdogs and spun into damaging "look at the unthinkable lies that lefties are spreading" narratives.

Only a tiny percentage of people might make these evidence-free claims, but they can be turned into ammunition by the hard-right and bounced back against all anti-Tories in general.

There is no evidence whatever to support the "false flag" accusations, but there's no doubt whatever that this attack has been highly beneficial to the Tory party.

If this attack has succeeded in halting the Labour surge, and Theresa May walks into Downing Street with a whopping majority, it'll be a huge victory for terrorism.

The terrorist will not only have succeeded in killing and maiming dozens, and traumatising thousands, he'll have fundamentally altered the UK political landscape in favour of a very pro-Saudi, pro-Wahabi political party.

Labour have announced a policy of ending arms sales to Saudi Arabia until they stop committing war crimes in Yemen.

Jeremy Corbyn has talked openly and often about clamping down on the countries that fund ISIS/Daesh. The leaked Clinton emails revealed that the west have known that ISIS is being funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. There are at least 2,000 odd Saudis actually fighting for ISIS/Daesh and other Islamist groups in Syria and Iraq.

A derailed Labour surge and a thumping victory for Theresa May would certainly be music to the ears of the Islamist tyrants in Riyadh.

Conclusion

Of course the timing of this atrocity was highly beneficial to a Tory party on the ropes over their disgusting policies, their slipping poll lead, their uncosted manifesto, and their increasingly erratic leader, but I'm not going to entertain any evidence-free conspiracy theories that they plotted this outrageous attack to serve their own interests.

However the evidence-free assertions that the Tories plotted this attack themselves are damaging to the fabric of British political debate. The Tories might well be an incredibly callous party, but in my view they're also far too incompetent to pull something like that off without leaving incriminating evidence all over the place.

The important issues at the moment are that they deserve intense scrutiny about the extreme cuts they imposed on the armed forces, police, emergency services, hospitals and border agency. Also serious questions need to be asked about the emerging accusations that the bomber had been shopped to the police several times for having links to Islamist extremism.

Perhaps the most important issue to consider is the fact that if this atrocity has succeeded in derailing the Labour Party surge, and Theresa May walks into Downing Street with a huge majority, it'll be one of the biggest victories for Islamist terrorism to date.

There you are. I'll let others decide if your assertion is true.

 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Pascal's Wager?

That is more that believing in God is advantageous because the benefits are so great even if God's existence is unlikely.
A load of bollocks in my esteemed opinion.

 

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This "false flag"allegation reads like many of the conspiracy theories that surround 9/11. In some of these scenarios, the Bush Administration actually planted bombs inside the Twin Towers to insure they would collapse. Never mind that these buildings were built so that the outer skin was the main support rather than a central core. It was bad enough that the Bushies failed to heed the warnings of counter-terrorism experts at the NSA/NSC (Richard Clarke being the best known) that bin Laden and al-Qaeda were planning an attack. I'm sure warning signs were missed in Manchester as well. The truth is often worse than the government plot conspiracy theorists can imagine. Signs are missed and what seemed non-threatening really is.

My question would be what did the local police and MI-5 know and when did they know it? Was the bomber known? What intelligence was available and how was it handled? Was there proper communication between local and national agencies? The answers to these and other relevant questions may very well prove embarrassing for the May government.

 


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This will doubtless be trashed by the Gussets of this world but I suspect it will resonate with anyone with even half a brain.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 May 17 10.41pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

This will doubtless be trashed by the Gussets of this world but I suspect it will resonate with anyone with even half a brain.

Is that from brass eye?

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

Is that from brass eye?

I'd genuinely&#8203; be interested to know what aspects of this you disagree with.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 May 17 10.48pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I'd genuinely&#8203; be interested to know what aspects of this you disagree with.

I disagree with him having a go at people praising Muslims who helped in the aftermath. I disagree with him saying Muslims are the problem when it's c***s who happen to be Muslims that are the problem. I stopped watching halfway through as I was worried about wetting myself at his delivery.

 

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