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 Seth  On a pale blue dot 25 May 17 7.13pm |
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Silva took over at Hull when they had just 13 points from 20 games and had only managed 6 points in their previous 17. They had the worst defence and worst attack in the league and sold their two best players in January. Under Silva they went on to get 34 points; 21 in 18 matches. Over a season that would have been enough for around 44 points, one away from the top half, and that was with a load of loan signings and a squad of about 15 players. On top of what he achieved in Portugal and Greece, I'd say that was a pretty impressive record.
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Come to Daddy  25 May 17 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by Portuguese
Good point but neverthless this review needs to be context in a way like Ortega y Gasset says: "I am plus my circumstances." Which is exactly what you'd want from a manager. All this stuff about our style is simply trying to create a coherent narrative from different pragmatic solutions arrived at by different managers. Pulis' 'style' was not the same as Allardyce nor what one would expect if you had expected him to recreate the way Stoke played under him. Silva does have limited experience but has made the teams he has gone to better than they were, in different contexts. That seems like a very good start point to consider him seriously and, to my non-expert mind, the best option of those touted.
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Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 17 7.21pm |
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Originally posted by Seth
Silva took over at Hull when they had just 13 points from 20 games and had only managed 6 points in their previous 17. They had the worst defence and worst attack in the league and sold their two best players in January. Under Silva they went on to get 34 points; 21 in 18 matches. Over a season that would have been enough for around 44 points, one away from the top half, and that was with a load of loan signings and a squad of about 15 players. On top of what he achieved in Portugal and Greece, I'd say that was a pretty impressive record. What really has he achieved in Portugal and Greece ? Edited by Willo (25 May 2017 7.24pm)
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| Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 25 May 17 7.22pm |
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I'd take Silva. All senior recruitment comes with major risk. I think he'd get us to mid/upper mid table and playing better football. Think people are blinkered by the battering we gave Hull but don't think that was representative of him. Challenge for any manager will be keeping Wilf and signing key targets.
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| Johnny Byrne Pinner 25 May 17 7.22pm |
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Just a question: are Willo and Croydonlad related?
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| Johnny Byrne Pinner 25 May 17 7.23pm |
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SP has Luka as a due diligence reference point for the quality of Marco Silva during their time at Olympiacos.
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Portuguese  Porto 25 May 17 7.29pm |
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Originally posted by Come to Daddy
Which is exactly what you'd want from a manager. All this stuff about our style is simply trying to create a coherent narrative from different pragmatic solutions arrived at by different managers. Pulis' 'style' was not the same as Allardyce nor what one would expect if you had expected him to recreate the way Stoke played under him. Silva does have limited experience but has made the teams he has gone to better than they were, in different contexts. That seems like a very good start point to consider him seriously and, to my non-expert mind, the best option of those touted. Mate I guess you don't read my previous posts!
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 25 May 17 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
What really has he achieved in Portugal and Greece ? Didn't you read this from earlier in the thread? Originally posted by twist
Silva has an excellent track record when you look at the resources he had to work with at the clubs he managed. Managing Estoril in Portugal, he took them to new heights they had never seen before. Won the second division, got them qualified for Europa league for 2 seasons straight after promotion. Went on to manage Sporting, where he won them the cup, finished 3rd, but was fired at season end for not wearing the clubs official suit at a game ! At Olympiacos he had an 80% win rate, including a memorable 3-2 win at Arsenal. Like people have said before, he had the worst team in the league to work with, and came close to saving them. This guy would be fantastic to have here. Edited by Seth (25 May 2017 7.37pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 May 17 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Seth
Edited by Seth (25 May 2017 7.37pm) Yes of course I read it ! I totally accept that he won titles in Portugal and Greece so well done to him but were the achievements that great when one looks at the bigger picture ? So he arrived as a relative "Unknown" on the back of what I deem to be modest achievements (Bigger picture again!) he then has a "Negative" in that he gets relegated (Albeit extenuating circumstances) and all of a sudden he is lauded, is "Flavour of the month", the next Pochettino, the next Mourinho etc etc. I just think many have gone "Overboard" in their praise of him based on his record.I'm NOT saying that he couldn't do really well in the future but let's NOT get carried away at the present time. Edited by Willo (25 May 2017 7.51pm)
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Mwncisee  Middlesbrough 25 May 17 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Yes of course I read it ! I totally accept that he won titles in Portugal and Greece so well done to him but were the achievements that great when one looks at the bigger picture ? So he arrived as a relative "Unknown" on the back of what I deem to be modest achievements (Bigger picture again!) he then has a "Negative" in that he gets relegated (Albeit extenuating circumstances) and all of a sudden he is lauded, is "Flavour of the month", the next Pochettino, the next Mourinho etc etc. I just think many have gone "Overboard" in their praise of him based on his record.I'm NOT saying that he couldn't do really well in the future but let's NOT get carried away at the present time. Edited by Willo (25 May 2017 7.51pm) It's context. People are praising him in comparison to the other options not compared to the whole football managing world.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 25 May 17 8.08pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Yes of course I read it ! I totally accept that he won titles in Portugal and Greece so well done to him but were the achievements that great when one looks at the bigger picture ? So he arrived as a relative "Unknown" on the back of what I deem to be modest achievements (Bigger picture again!) he then has a "Negative" in that he gets relegated (Albeit extenuating circumstances) and all of a sudden he is lauded, is "Flavour of the month", the next Pochettino, the next Mourinho etc etc. I just think many have gone "Overboard" in their praise of him based on his record.I'm NOT saying that he couldn't do really well in the future but let's NOT get carried away at the present time. Edited by Willo (25 May 2017 7.51pm) I am reliably informed by one of my contacts that Silva I say one of my contacts, HLTCO on Twitter
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| Mwncisee Middlesbrough 25 May 17 8.14pm |
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He has just officially resigned as Hull manager [Link]
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