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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 26 May 17 2.46pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman We'd like to speak to you in private, with the HR manager sitting in. She was the one who put the ball gag in. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 26 May 17 2.46pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

We'd like to speak to you in private, with the HR manager sitting in.

She was the one who put the ball gag in.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 3.16pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 When our kids are being blown up? Your kids, my kids or British kids have been blown up. Its a once occasion. Of course people are fking concerned about that, even liberals. Of course there isn't actually much they can do, in terms of preventing that occurring either. Yes it is. Context is incredibly important, because the only time I hear the phrase 'a final solution' is in reference to the holocaust. Even the telegraph reports it as 'calling for a final solution'**. So yeah its important, because some people seem to see her as their spokesperson. Do we know the context? Was it a deliberate reference to the Holocaust? If so, that was extremely inappropriate. If not, so what? If there is any comparison to Nazi Germany it is that we have have a religious minority living here, some of which wish to remain isolated from the population and are now viewed with suspicion. Not surprising since some of them are trying to kill us. I don't recall there being Jewish suicide bombers in post war Germany.
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26 May 17 3.16pm

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

When our kids are being blown up? Your kids, my kids or British kids have been blown up. Its a once occasion. Of course people are f**king concerned about that, even liberals.

Of course there isn't actually much they can do, in terms of preventing that occurring either.

Yes it is. Context is incredibly important, because the only time I hear the phrase 'a final solution' is in reference to the holocaust. Even the telegraph reports it as 'calling for a final solution'.

So yeah its important, because some people seem to see her as their spokesperson.

Do we know the context? Was it a deliberate reference to the Holocaust? If so, that was extremely inappropriate. If not, so what?
If there is any comparison to Nazi Germany it is that we have have a religious minority living here, some of which wish to remain isolated from the population and are now viewed with suspicion.
Not surprising since some of them are trying to kill us. I don't recall there being Jewish suicide bombers in post war Germany.

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 3.21pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I agree entirely but her choice of phrase, that phrase, was just stupid beyond imagining. She could have said what she meant (that it's time to sort this once and for all) without using perhaps one of the most "loaded" phrases of modern times. Rufus Hound's fatuous use of the #ReichstagFire hashtag was another example of crass stupidity and using utterly inappropriate terminology to put an idea across. She was right in her intention but batsh*t crazy in her execution. I would agree that in this post Nazi world of over sensitivity, we have allowed people to be proud to be offended by mere words. In that context she chose the wrong words and has paid for it. Did we really defeat the Nazis so we could earn the right not to say what we want? She didn't tell any one to kill did she.
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Hrolf The Ganger

26 May 17 3.21pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I agree entirely but her choice of phrase, that phrase, was just stupid beyond imagining. She could have said what she meant (that it's time to sort this once and for all) without using perhaps one of the most "loaded" phrases of modern times. Rufus Hound's fatuous use of the #ReichstagFire hashtag was another example of crass stupidity and using utterly inappropriate terminology to put an idea across. She was right in her intention but batsh*t crazy in her execution.

I would agree that in this post Nazi world of over sensitivity, we have allowed people to be proud to be offended by mere words. In that context she chose the wrong words and has paid for it.
Did we really defeat the Nazis so we could earn the right not to say what we want? She didn't tell any one to kill did she.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 17 3.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do we know the context? Was it a deliberate reference to the Holocaust? If so, that was extremely inappropriate. If not, so what? If there is any comparison to Nazi Germany it is that we have have a religious minority living here, some of which wish to remain isolated from the population and are now viewed with suspicion. Not surprising since some of them are trying to kill us. I don't recall there being Jewish suicide bombers in post war Germany. 22 dead - number rising. Schofield. Don't you even dare. Do not be part of the problem. We need a final solution. #ManchesterArena I don't think there is a Nazi parallel - except maybe with IS in the middle east. I think its fairly reasonable to see that in terms of inciting. What with the final solution actually being the murder of six million Jews (specifically, of course the Nazi Genocide was much broader than just the murder of Jews). Edited by jamiemartin721 (26 May 2017 3.28pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 May 17 3.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

22 dead - number rising. Schofield. Don't you even dare. Do not be part of the problem. We need a final solution. #ManchesterArena

I don't think there is a Nazi parallel - except maybe with IS in the middle east. I think its fairly reasonable to see that in terms of inciting.

What with the final solution actually being the murder of six million Jews (specifically, of course the Nazi Genocide was much broader than just the murder of Jews).

Edited by jamiemartin721 (26 May 2017 3.28pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 May 17 3.27pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 22 dead - number rising. Schofield. Don't you even dare. Do not be part of the problem. We need a final solution. #ManchesterArena I don't think there is a Nazi parallel - except maybe with IS in the middle east. He will have a slow filmed walk off the train and past the foyer by Tuesday. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 May 17 3.27pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

22 dead - number rising. Schofield. Don't you even dare. Do not be part of the problem. We need a final solution. #ManchesterArena

I don't think there is a Nazi parallel - except maybe with IS in the middle east.

He will have a slow filmed walk off the train and past the foyer by Tuesday.

COYP

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Hrolf The Ganger 26 May 17 3.31pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 22 dead - number rising. Schofield. Don't you even dare. Do not be part of the problem. We need a final solution. #ManchesterArena I don't think there is a Nazi parallel - except maybe with IS in the middle east. So it was just a turn of phrase and therefore a storm in a tea cup. The whole liberal world jumps on it and yet I bet the first thing some of those same people did after Manchester was to say how all Muslims aren't to blame. And you talk about Hopkins being a good recruiting officer for liberals. It works both ways Jamie. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 3.33pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

26 May 17 3.31pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

22 dead - number rising. Schofield. Don't you even dare. Do not be part of the problem. We need a final solution. #ManchesterArena

I don't think there is a Nazi parallel - except maybe with IS in the middle east.

So it was just a turn of phrase and therefore a storm in a tea cup. The whole liberal world jumps on it and yet I bet the first thing some of those same people did after Manchester was to say how all Muslims aren't to blame.

And you talk about Hopkins being a good recruiting officer for liberals. It works both ways Jamie.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 3.33pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 17 4.11pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So it was just a turn of phrase and therefore a storm in a tea cup. The whole liberal world jumps on it and yet I bet the first thing some of those same people did after Manchester was to say how all Muslims aren't to blame. And you talk about Hopkins being a good recruiting officer for liberals. It works both ways Jamie. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 3.33pm) Probably not, most people probably thought oh f**k, interestingly one of the first things I actually heard was the Muslim guy from Cintra Estates expressing his hatred of Islamists as I was getting my wife her coffees. No doubt - I'd imagine that any progress Corbyn made on the election outside of the labour core voters is washed away every time the Diane Abbots of the world open their mouths. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 26 May 17 4.11pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So it was just a turn of phrase and therefore a storm in a tea cup. The whole liberal world jumps on it and yet I bet the first thing some of those same people did after Manchester was to say how all Muslims aren't to blame.

And you talk about Hopkins being a good recruiting officer for liberals. It works both ways Jamie.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 3.33pm)

Probably not, most people probably thought oh f**k, interestingly one of the first things I actually heard was the Muslim guy from Cintra Estates expressing his hatred of Islamists as I was getting my wife her coffees.

No doubt - I'd imagine that any progress Corbyn made on the election outside of the labour core voters is washed away every time the Diane Abbots of the world open their mouths.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 17 4.13pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So it was just a turn of phrase and therefore a storm in a tea cup. The whole liberal world jumps on it and yet I bet the first thing some of those same people did after Manchester was to say how all Muslims aren't to blame. And you talk about Hopkins being a good recruiting officer for liberals. It works both ways Jamie. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 3.33pm) Just a turn of phrase, to say we need a final solution? That's not a turn of phrase I'm familiar with, is it a London thing? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 26 May 17 4.13pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And you talk about Hopkins being a good recruiting officer for liberals. It works both ways Jamie.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 May 2017 3.33pm)

Just a turn of phrase, to say we need a final solution? That's not a turn of phrase I'm familiar with, is it a London thing?

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Pussay Patrol 26 May 17 4.16pm
So because she said final solution people automatically assume she thinks all muslims should be rounded up and ethnically cleansed? Behave Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

26 May 17 4.16pm

So because she said final solution people automatically assume she thinks all muslims should be rounded up and ethnically cleansed?

Behave

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Nobbybm Dartford 26 May 17 4.19pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Cucking said 'arrested for street crime' rather than stop and search or stopped or arrested. There is also the question of whether there was any street crime. Not defending, just saying that it sounds like Condon was referring to actual crime committed. There were lots of differing reports regarding crime stats and the black community back then, several of which led to operation Trident being set up under his watch. I believe it's still ongoing although it's focus changed a bit a few years back. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Dartford 26 May 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Cucking said 'arrested for street crime' rather than stop and search or stopped or arrested. There is also the question of whether there was any street crime. Not defending, just saying that it sounds like Condon was referring to actual crime committed.

There were lots of differing reports regarding crime stats and the black community back then, several of which led to operation Trident being set up under his watch. I believe it's still ongoing although it's focus changed a bit a few years back.

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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Nobbybm Dartford 26 May 17 4.20pm
Oh, and Hopkins is just a gobby c**t. Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Nobbybm

Dartford 26 May 17 4.20pm

Oh, and Hopkins is just a gobby c**t.

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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DanH SW2 26 May 17 4.33pm
'Final solution' is not your regular run-of-the-mill phraseology. Even those with basic historical knowledge know the connotations behind it; she knew what she was doing.
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DanH

SW2 26 May 17 4.33pm

'Final solution' is not your regular run-of-the-mill phraseology. Even those with basic historical knowledge know the connotations behind it; she knew what she was doing.

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