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hedgehog50  Croydon 05 Jun 17 9.07am |
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Originally posted by DanH
The vast, vast majority really can. It's a tiny minority of c*nts who can't. Look at some history.
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 7mins In the bush 05 Jun 17 10.02am |
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Originally posted by europalace
Imagine how peaceful Northern Ireland would have been without Christianity. Whataboutery What's your view on the here and now. We have a problem with Islamic terrorism. Why are people scared to admit this? Look... if something's wrong.., criticise it... but don't say "er, yea... maybe we have a tiny problem with, like a tiny proportion of Muslims, but what about the Christian Crusades in the 12th century?" The problem is here, we gotta deal with it... ignore the far right, ignore the far left... look at the facts, if it goes against your moral compass, have the courage to speak out.
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Kermit8  Hevon 05 Jun 17 10.30am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Whataboutery What's your view on the here and now. We have a problem with Islamic terrorism. Why are people scared to admit this? Look... if something's wrong.., criticise it... but don't say "er, yea... maybe we have a tiny problem with, like a tiny proportion of Muslims, but what about the Christian Crusades in the 12th century?" The problem is here, we gotta deal with it... ignore the far right, ignore the far left... look at the facts, if it goes against your moral compass, have the courage to speak out. Indeed. The fact is is that it is a specific type of religious extremist adhering to a specific type of interpretation that carries out the attacks against us and others around the world including muslims. Actually, mostly against muslims. So, going by that fact, we should be focusing on that target group and their paymasters as 100% the main threat and stop bleating on about 'Muslims' per se.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jun 17 10.36am |
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Originally posted by europalace
Imagine how peaceful Northern Ireland would have been without Christianity. Not very if Irish mythology and classic literature from pre-Christian times is anything to be believed. Celts liked a good scrap.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 10.39am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
It's not just religion. It is race, language, history, traditions and culture. Nations came about because people of similar religion, race, language, and culture united to protect and enhance these things. Most conflicts in history, and now, largely have differences in race, religion, language and culture at their roots. To pretend that different races, religions and cultures can get along just fine is delusion, however much fools like Caroline Lucas and Tim Farron and Jeremy Corbyn tell you otherwise. Really? And here was me thinking all this time that most conflicts were because others had something that someone else wanted. Land, resources, mineral wealth, etc, that kind of thing. But it turns out according to our resident Hol historian that they came about because others spoke a different language, ate different food and they danced funny.
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| 7mins In the bush 05 Jun 17 10.40am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Indeed. The fact is is that it is a specific type of religious extremist adhering to a specific type of interpretation that carries out the attacks against us and others around the world including muslims. Actually, mostly against muslims. So, going by that fact, we should be focusing on that target group and their paymasters as 100% the main threat and stop bleating on about 'Muslims' per se. Yep... if the survey of 10000 Muslims is to be believed, 4% sympathise with terrorist attacks, we need to help the majority get rid of this 4%. We must also admit that 4% is a sizeable number
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jun 17 10.42am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Look at some history. It generally takes a few c**ts to get the general population going, and a bit of time. Usually its the more 'intransigent' and sidelined factions that weigh in big and have the most to gain, politically. Take Yugoslavia and Rwanda - The rise of 'Nationalist / Tribalised Politics' and the subsequent 'extremist agenda' pushing ends up going down a path where people who have spent decades as neighbours over a period of time end up being polarised into specific factions. Which of course is what groups like the far Left, Far Right, Islamists, terrorists are aiming to achieve - To force people to pick a side. Radical Islam isn't any different.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jun 17 10.47am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Yep... if the survey of 10000 Muslims is to be believed, 4% sympathise with terrorist attacks, we need to help the majority get rid of this 4%. We must also admit that 4% is a sizeable number Sympathise with terrorist attacks is an issue, and it needs to be addressed, but it does depend on what you mean by sympathetic. If it means willing to break the law and provide material support to terrorism, then yes. But 4% of Muslims being sympathetic is surprisingly small compared to the kind of sympathetic support Loyalist and Republican terrorists had during the 70s, 80s and 90s.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 05 Jun 17 10.49am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Yep... if the survey of 10000 Muslims is to be believed, 4% sympathise with terrorist attacks, we need to help the majority get rid of this 4%. We must also admit that 4% is a sizeable number Ok, but again going by the 'facts' 99.6% of Muslims around the globe don't adhere to Wahhabism and even the ones that do not all of them interpret Wahhabism as extremely as the killers/IS/Al qaeda do. Every single terror attack since 1993 carried out by those groups had attackers who follow ultra-extreme Wahhabism/Salafist-ism. We know who harbours, promotes and finances them. We even know where tens of thousands of them are in a finite area of Syria and Iraq. So, Theresa, if "enough" really is "enough", tell the population those facts and hit them where it hurts. We are right behind you. You will, of course, won't. Edited by Kermit8 (05 Jun 2017 10.50am)
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| Lyons550 Shirley 05 Jun 17 10.50am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The tories have cut the police, army and prisons ruthlessly and they are not effective. I blame Mrs May for the fact I cannot go anywhere safely in my area and I relate it directly to her ruthless cuts as Home Secretary. Only a complete reversal of tory policies will help in my opinion. You would have to be close to the ground like a police officer on his community beat to understand what is going on.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 05 Jun 17 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Really? And here was me thinking all this time that most conflicts were because others had something that someone else wanted. Land, resources, mineral wealth, etc, that kind of thing. But it turns out according to our resident Hol historian that they came about because others spoke a different language, ate different food and they danced funny.
Wars are typically far to expensive to be about non-material issues for the most part. They do tend to be about power, status, wealth, resources and maintaining access to those. Civil conflicts less so, to start with, but usually the ones who focus on those issues, tend to win.
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europalace  Europe 05 Jun 17 10.54am |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Whataboutery What's your view on the here and now. We have a problem with Islamic terrorism. Why are people scared to admit this? Look... if something's wrong.., criticise it... but don't say "er, yea... maybe we have a tiny problem with, like a tiny proportion of Muslims, but what about the Christian Crusades in the 12th century?" The problem is here, we gotta deal with it... ignore the far right, ignore the far left... look at the facts, if it goes against your moral compass, have the courage to speak out.
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