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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 11 Jul 19 8.11am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

And that personal opinion had nothing to do with diplomacy so clearly he dropped the ball and has now been subbed!
Boris is going to be PM and will have much bigger fish to fry in the coming months and years with the POTUS.
Sticking up for a very seemingly sloppy diplomat is a stickleback so he threw it back.

Of course his personal opinion has to do with diplomacy; it’s quite literally his job to form opinions on foreign politicians and report his findings back to his employer.

He ‘dropped the ball’ by having an email leaked?

Painful.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Jul 19 10.30am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Of course his personal opinion has to do with diplomacy; it’s quite literally his job to form opinions on foreign politicians and report his findings back to his employer.

He ‘dropped the ball’ by having an email leaked?

Painful.

Putting his literal personal opinion in an email is stupid.
His job was to keep good relations between us and the USA.
Not what he thought of the incumbent leader and his political philosophy.

 

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View beagle's Profile beagle Flag pom tiddly om pom pom 11 Jul 19 2.53pm Send a Private Message to beagle Add beagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Putting his literal personal opinion in an email is stupid.
His job was to keep good relations between us and the USA.
Not what he thought of the incumbent leader and his political philosophy.

Putting his personal opinion (literal or otherwise) is his job. And if not his opinion, then who's opinion do you think he should be giving on the state of the current US administration?

The Ambassador will have spoken and been spoken to by a myriad of people from both with the Republican party, within the Democratic party and will have spoken to people who speak to people within the West wing. Plus input the UK Embassy spooks. His considered opinion is invaluable to the UK especially at a time when knowing how the US is likely to roll is important.

If our Ambassador thinks the US Govt is, in his opinion, the mutts-nuts he should report so, and if he thinks its an omni-shambles he should say so too. He's reported the later.

Once Boris getting elected, I suspect the encryptic diplomatic messages whizzing out of UK embassies will also be based on the personal opinions of a host of Foreign Ambassadors who will be informing their respective governments on Boris' Govt. They can carry on giving flattering or unflattering opinions on Boris while retaining 'good relations' with the UK providing, of course, one of their own doesn't leak those opinions to the press.

 


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Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 11 Jul 19 3.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

For goodness sake!

It isn't his job to say such things to his face! It's his job to report his observations, in confidence, to the British government. The Government then decide what diplomatic stance to adopt, and he follows it, whatever his personal opinion might be.

Johnson in failing to support him has caused questions to be asked about his own commitment to diplomacy.

What utter tosh.

It doesn't actually matter who is at fault here. The simple fact is that after these revelations, the relationship cannot be mended.

There is no decision to be made, only some face saving.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 11 Jul 19 6.33pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by beagle

Putting his personal opinion (literal or otherwise) is his job. And if not his opinion, then who's opinion do you think he should be giving on the state of the current US administration?

The Ambassador will have spoken and been spoken to by a myriad of people from both with the Republican party, within the Democratic party and will have spoken to people who speak to people within the West wing. Plus input the UK Embassy spooks. His considered opinion is invaluable to the UK especially at a time when knowing how the US is likely to roll is important.

If our Ambassador thinks the US Govt is, in his opinion, the mutts-nuts he should report so, and if he thinks its an omni-shambles he should say so too. He's reported the later.

Once Boris getting elected, I suspect the encryptic diplomatic messages whizzing out of UK embassies will also be based on the personal opinions of a host of Foreign Ambassadors who will be informing their respective governments on Boris' Govt. They can carry on giving flattering or unflattering opinions on Boris while retaining 'good relations' with the UK providing, of course, one of their own doesn't leak those opinions to the press.

So why did he put the obvious in an email then.
Should let sleeping dogs lye.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 7.25am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So why did he put the obvious in an email then.
Should let sleeping dogs lye.

I very much doubt they were actually "emails" of the kind we use. That's just shorthand. These would have been secure government encripted communications which have been intercepted in some way. Finding out how and why is vital.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 7.33am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What utter tosh.

It doesn't actually matter who is at fault here. The simple fact is that after these revelations, the relationship cannot be mended.

There is no decision to be made, only some face saving.

That he did the honourable thing and resigned as he could no longer do his job is true.

What is also true is that Johnson's half baked initial support, which looked like trying to brown nose Trump, upset the rest of the civil service and caused questions to be asked. He has since gone on a face saving "I was misreported" media campaign.

Who did this and why? Stinks of Russia again to me!

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 15 Jul 19 8.06am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That he did the honourable thing and resigned as he could no longer do his job is true.

What is also true is that Johnson's half baked initial support, which looked like trying to brown nose Trump, upset the rest of the civil service and caused questions to be asked. He has since gone on a face saving "I was misreported" media campaign.

Who did this and why? Stinks of Russia again to me!

Oooh we haven't had this many "reds under the beds" since McCarthy.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Jul 19 8.18am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


He has since gone on a face saving "I was misreported" media campaign.


How can he say that he was misrepresented as he gave his lack of support on live TV and I was watching at the time

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 8.57am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

How can he say that he was misrepresented as he gave his lack of support on live TV and I was watching at the time

I agree, but that seems to be what he is now doing, presumably advised by his "team" to limit the damage.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 9.13am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Oooh we haven't had this many "reds under the beds" since McCarthy.

Strange isn't it that McCarthy's right hand man, and senior counsel, was Roy Cohn, who subsequently became Donald Trump's mentor and the man generally credited with teaching him never to apologise and to always attack your critics.

It seems that the circle has fully turned. McCarthy was passionately anti-communist. Trump sees anything even slightly pink as a threat. The difference is Russia under Putin which is now a gangster state run by a mob boss.

So Russian interference isn't red these days. It's malign interference in the western democratic systems is designed to sow dissent and make them weaker. It happened with Trump's election, whether he was involved or not being another question. It happened with Brexit and in many other elections across Europe. This isn't wild speculation. It's been confirmed by the 5 eyes intelligence services.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 9.27am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Has anyone seen this latest Twitter outburst from Trump, which is clearly aimed at 4 Democratic Congresswomen, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ayanna Pressley, and Ilhan Omar. They are all "coloured", 3 were born in the USA and the other arrived as a 12 year old.

"So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!"

It's causing a bit of a political storm in the USA with Republican comment noticeable by it's absence.

I admit bias against white supremacist attitudes and complete ignorance of the facts.

Anyone agree?

 

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