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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 02 Jul 21 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You definitely don't need FB to form opinions about people like Trump. People like him will force them on you in other ways. No business though should be forced to compromise its standards just because someone like Trump seeks attention by promulgating ideas designed to divide or harm the people who read them.

The very fact that he gets banned helps you form an opinion about him.

It does if youíre a fan of post hoc thinking.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You definitely don't need FB to form opinions about people like Trump. People like him will force them on you in other ways. No business though should be forced to compromise its standards just because someone like Trump seeks attention by promulgating ideas designed to divide or harm the people who read them.

The very fact that he gets banned helps you form an opinion about him.


The problem is Facebook has become more than any other business in its influence over the young and individuals reality. Look at the personalised ads there to reinforce youíre own version of the world.
If it bans the likes of trump it should really ban all political parties and political discussion.
Then it could be used as it should be for your relatives to like cute pictures of your dog rather than rigg elections based on the agenda of the people who run it which seems to be the way itís headed.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Jul 21 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by lefty27


The problem is Facebook has become more than any other business in its influence over the young and individuals reality. Look at the personalised ads there to reinforce youíre own version of the world.
If it bans the likes of trump it should really ban all political parties and political discussion.
Then it could be used as it should be for your relatives to like cute pictures of your dog rather than rigg elections based on the agenda of the people who run it which seems to be the way itís headed.

Facebook doesn't ban plenty of nasty regimes which shows their hypocrisy and bias.

 


One more point

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jul 21 3.11pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


The view of Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO,

I feel a ban is a failure of ours ultimately to promote healthy conversation. And a time for us to reflect on our operations and the environment around us.

Having to take these actions fragment the public conversation. They divide us. They limit the potential for clarification, redemption, and learning. And sets a precedent I feel is dangerous: the power an individual or corporation has over a part of the global public conversation.

Social media companies do have a tricky difficult job because at the end of the day it all comes down to their bottom line, and that in part relies on a wider public perception.

They don't often act to the users betterment though. Especially Youtube and Facebook; they have done a number on people, walking them by the hand to ever drifting left and right bubbles (through their own algorithms), then blaming those same individuals for where they wind up from there's a hint of bad publicity.

All that matters to these services is 'engagement' and they achieve this by presenting people with more and more exaggerated and ludicrous version of what they already believe, most often geared towards anger rather than commonality, because it's the former that keeps eyeballs on screens.

Most people don't naturally find their way to Qanon or 'micro aggressions' type nuts views.. or having 97 different genders to choose from. Or having a mentality primarily revolves around their skin colour, getting drawn towards ideas that it's impossible to be racist against a white person, or that neo nazi 'patriot' groups are the answer. These are all fairground mirrors put in front of individuals who are easily manipulated and as result have found their way to a warped hinterland. Algorithms picked at shortcomings and turned them into their entire character. People grossly underestimate how much social media steers their direction of thought and their allegiances. I wouldn't say it was the intention of those at the helm to do this ( first and foremost they just want to be profitable), but it's clearly the consequence.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jul 2021 3.13pm)

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jul 21 3.16pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Biden, Trump.. do any of them substantively get anything done that benefits the people.. or are they in fact just contrived distractions for the populous who - much like social media - get people at loggerheads while those with real power and money keep it all ticking over precisely as they want it? The likes of Trump and Biden, their families and how they operate have much, much more in common with each other than they ever will with any of us. And yet people enter cheerleader mode over them both. Sucked into the same contrived narrative.

Biden is barely alive and appeals to 'anyone but Trump types', and Trump's talent was basically in being the con you didn't mind getting conned by. Neither give a s*** about you, your family or your lives though.

 

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Originally posted by lefty27

Have to be honest Iím what most of you would call a lefty snowflake. That said I think the banning of Trump from Facebook etc sets a very very dangerous precedent. The fact is social media is more powerful and has the potential to influence, in fact has influenced elections is a real danger to democracy.
The fact that Nick Clegg has gone from a failed politician to one of the most powerful men in the world is about as scary as it gets.
I donít think there is a left and right argument here I think the whole idea of democracy could end with the next generation who already get there news and views from Facebook etc being unable to form there own options about people like Trump.

It's an good point in a excellent post.

I think one of the crossover points where left and right can agree is on centralised v decentralised power systems. We can see the tendency for power to be over centralised with a few elites. It's unavoidable to an extent with governments (which usually have their power constrained in other ways) but when it's unelected corporations all implementing the same policies the problems speak for themselves.

In the modern age these corporations have too much power.

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

Biden, Trump.. do any of them substantively get anything done that benefits the people.. or are they in fact just contrived distractions for the populous who - much like social media - get people at loggerheads while those with real power and money keep it all ticking over precisely as they want it? The likes of Trump and Biden, their families and how they operate have much, much more in common with each other than they ever will with any of us. And yet people enter cheerleader mode over them both. Sucked into the same contrived narrative.

Biden is barely alive and appeals to 'anyone but Trump types', and Trump's talent was basically in being the con you didn't mind getting conned by. Neither give a s*** about you, your family or your lives though.

I think there's a certain amount of truth in that.

Elites, like us common plebs, have worldviews and the main significant difference is that they have the power to implement those views and we don't.

The biggest problem is when the interests of the elites starts to significant diverge from the interests of those they rule.

That's been an ongoing increasing reality for the last half a century.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2021 3.25pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think there's a certain amount of truth in that.

Elites, like us common plebs, have worldviews and the main significant difference is that they have the power to implement those views and we don't.

The biggest problem is when the interests of the elites starts to significant diverge from the interests of those they rule.

That's been an ongoing increasing reality for the last half a century.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2021 3.25pm)

Yes, they have more levers at their disposal; the ear of politicians, the connections, the finances to enact change and contort views.

Politicians know which side their bread is buttered too, so they're always leaning into whatever they can do for their mega rich mates no matter the morality of it. As consequence if you're an aspiring politician but can't be bought and aren't corrupt (or willing to turn a blind eye to it) don't expect a seat at the table.


 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, they have more levers at their disposal; the ear of politicians, the connections, the finances to enact change and contort views.

Politicians know which side their bread is buttered too, so they're always leaning into whatever they can do for their mega rich mates no matter the morality of it. As consequence if you're an aspiring politician but can't be bought and aren't corrupt (or willing to turn a blind eye to it) don't expect a seat at the table.

Yep, there is an increasing homogeneity in the views of globalist politicians. To be allowed to compete for a place at that table the party filters and media systems filter out anyone at odds with it.

I see attempts at more centralised power and the gap between the superrich, rich and everybody else continuing to widen.....the march towards a tech and corpocracy controlling more beneath the veneer of politicians.

When exceptions and rebellions against the status quo like Trump and Corbyn happen the aligned systems ruthlessly deal with them.....sometimes in concert and sometimes not but the homogeneity amounts to the same result.

It's why Brexit was such a shock to that system and why Johnson was at such pains to reassure them that he too was just as much a globalist as they are......he just took a different route to power.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2021 5.04pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, there is an increasing homogeneity in the views of globalist politicians. To be allowed to compete for a place at that table the party filters and media systems filter out anyone at odds with it.

I see attempts at more centralised power and the gap between the superrich, rich and everybody else continuing to widen.....the march towards a tech and corpocracy controlling more beneath the veneer of politicians.

When exceptions and rebellions against the status quo like Trump and Corbyn happen the aligned systems ruthlessly deal with them.....sometimes in concert and sometimes not but the homogeneity amounts to the same result.

It's why Brexit was such a shock to that system and why Johnson was at such pains to reassure them that he too was just as much a globalist as they are......he just took a different route to power.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2021 5.04pm)

Yes, considering the pro remain article he had written, my take is that he'd have much preferred a narrow loss for leave with the appearance of being a gallant 'man of the people', rather than the result and actually having to implement it.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, considering the pro remain article he had written, my take is that he'd have much preferred a narrow loss for leave with the appearance of being a gallant 'man of the people', rather than the result and actually having to implement it.

Agreed, the look on his and Gove's faces after the result in 2016 spoke volumes.....and those two articles Johnson wrote just confirm what most people know...that Johnson doesn't believe that strongly in much except what he think advances him.

They knew that they had crossed the Rubicon and from reading a book afterwards I know that Gove was upset that his wife's and his deep personal friendship with the Camerons could never repair as he had planned for.

A bit trite I know but it's highly likely you're right and that both of them had visualized losing wrapped in the flag and shaking a fist and hence advancing their later party leadership positions.

Even Farage had conceded defeat on the night.

2016 was one hell of a year.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jul 2021 6.31pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Given the competition here, let alone elsewhere, I somehow doubt that's true. Nevertheless, it's good to know I rate so highly in at least one category in your book. It makes a refreshing change to your usual negativity.

You're welcome.

 

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