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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 10 May 23 7.08pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I hope you never do jury service. You have just denied the first rule of law. Innocent until proven guilty.
Your comment about Brexit exposes your prejudices and taints everything you say going forward.


With much of the Wokies now, the notion of them actually believing in far-right concepts such as freedom of speech and innocent until proven guilty are actually now deemed no longer valid. Actually believing in them is something that only full on Neo-Nazis support.

Remember these are people who want you to believe that people can change their gender at the drop of the hat and the onus is on everybody else to just take them at their word.

And to be fair, maybe Trump did sexually assault this woman? Of course there is no evidence beyond some woman claiming he did so so last century but surely that is all that is required? Of course the woman said she was raped but it was a long time ago and how could she remember ALL the details? Hence why Trump was found not guilty of rape. Logic really.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have no idea why you and your right-wing bed-fellows here are so puzzled about this.

The jury found him guilty. Not of rape, because the necessary burden of truth wasn't passed, but of sexual assault, which was.

You suggest there was no evidence, but there was. There were statements made, under oath by those she confided in. Those statements would have been cross-examined but the jury chose to believe them. There was also the evidence of Trump's own statement which contradicted itself.

Wanting to spin this as some kind of Democratic Party witch hunt is simply a Trump tactic. His base might be fooled. They are all the time by him but we are better than that. Aren't we?

JFK had, by all accounts, a larger-than-normal sexual appetite and a series of ladies willing to share it. He didn't though make unwanted advances, get accused of rape or be found guilty of sexual assault.


Ashley Biden's diary is confirmed to be real & she speaks of showers with her father where she was molested and yet (and I paraphrase slightly here) you called it the imagination of a child.


 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have no idea why you and your right-wing bed-fellows here are so puzzled about this.

The jury found him guilty. Not of rape, because the necessary burden of truth wasn't passed, but of sexual assault, which was.

You suggest there was no evidence, but there was. There were statements made, under oath by those she confided in. Those statements would have been cross-examined but the jury chose to believe them. There was also the evidence of Trump's own statement which contradicted itself.

Wanting to spin this as some kind of Democratic Party witch hunt is simply a Trump tactic. His base might be fooled. They are all the time by him but we are better than that. Aren't we?

JFK had, by all accounts, a larger-than-normal sexual appetite and a series of ladies willing to share it. He didn't though make unwanted advances, get accused of rape or be found guilty of sexual assault.

Which is very strange, as hearsay evidence is no more acceptable in a US court that a UK one - there are very few exceptions where it may be, but they are rarely applied...

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 8.16am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is possibly because the CIA were covering up his dirty secrets while the FBI were watching his every move. That might have had a direct relationship to his assassination.

I suppose you think that the highly suspicious death of Marilyn Monroe was also just another conspiracy theory.

Maybe be it was maybe not, but I know this for sure.

Trump is the victim of a witch hunt, just like he says.
His guilt or innocence in this or any other case does not alter that fact.

Only a blind moron can't see that.

That's the logic of every conspiracy theorist.

Ultimately such things are decided in a Court, where evidence is tested and independent jurors decide.

Trump's team have lost every case in which they tried to establish a "witch-hunt" exists.

You either trust a justice system, or you don't. If you don't you may as well take to the hills or leave the country because a functioning democracy depends upon it.

Only a moron can't see that. In this age of equality, you cannot exclude the sighted.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 8.17am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Bill Clinton didn't actually get charged with rape either ...

Perhaps because he didn't commit rape?

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Perhaps because he didn't commit rape?

Yeah funny that. Several women made allegations against Clinton over the years and they were not believed as it was only their word.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 8.24am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That is rarely the case with rape.

This is a case based entirely on 'believe me bro' which has succeeded.....it shows precisely where the US are now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 May 2023 6.07pm)

Have you heard all the evidence then?

I haven't, but I understand there was a lot more than simply one word against another. Some of the words spoken by Trump were used by the prosecution to prove the case, alongside corroborating statements from confidants. Sufficient for a "beyond a reasonable doubt" threshold to be passed.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 8.28am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I hope you never do jury service. You have just denied the first rule of law. Innocent until proven guilty.
Your comment about Brexit exposes your prejudices and taints everything you say going forward.

He was proven guilty! That's what the jury determined. They heard the whole case. You have just read some tittle-tattle, read what Trump says, added it to your prejudices and decided it wasn't proven. You are wrong. You don't decide. The jury did.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 8.34am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


With much of the Wokies now, the notion of them actually believing in far-right concepts such as freedom of speech and innocent until proven guilty are actually now deemed no longer valid. Actually believing in them is something that only full on Neo-Nazis support.

Remember these are people who want you to believe that people can change their gender at the drop of the hat and the onus is on everybody else to just take them at their word.

And to be fair, maybe Trump did sexually assault this woman? Of course there is no evidence beyond some woman claiming he did so so last century but surely that is all that is required? Of course the woman said she was raped but it was a long time ago and how could she remember ALL the details? Hence why Trump was found not guilty of rape. Logic really.

Once again, that's untrue. There was other evidence, sufficient to convict. Why wasn't he found guilty of rape? Because there was not sufficient evidence to convict of the act that constitutes rape, but enough to convict of sexual assault. It's not complicated.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 May 23 8.40am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan


Ashley Biden's diary is confirmed to be real & she speaks of showers with her father where she was molested and yet (and I paraphrase slightly here) you called it the imagination of a child.


I cannot recall my words or the context but, so far as I am aware, no case has been brought and the evidence tested in court. Did she describe being molested or is that an interpretation of the event by others?

 


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Originally posted by becky

Which is very strange, as hearsay evidence is no more acceptable in a US court that a UK one - there are very few exceptions where it may be, but they are rarely applied...

We didn't hear the evidence, or know how much weight was put upon any part of it. It would have been subjected to cross-examination and probed for inconsistencies. I don't know but I suspect it was only a way of establishing credibility.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Yeah funny that. Several women made allegations against Clinton over the years and they were not believed as it was only their word.

Were they taken to Court and the evidence tested?

Unless they were they are not comparable.

 


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