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View CrazyBadger's Profile CrazyBadger Flag Ware 07 Sep 17 2.45pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes. To not assess his own squad properly or at all before doing the decision it looks so.

I think that's a little harsh - Prospective/New Managers don;t have too long to make this call accurately.
I think he did looked at The players we had, then did believe they suited 3-4-3. I think he overestimated the ability of some of our players to play in the manner he wanted.

His mistake was not recognising that and not updating his plan. but then - maybe he recognised that it takes more time to Change, and soon they will adapt.

Edited by CrazyBadger (07 Sep 2017 2.46pm)

 


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View leifandersonshair's Profile leifandersonshair Flag Newport 07 Sep 17 2.47pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Originally posted by Andy_G

But it was stated I think by De Boer himself that he had evaluated the squad and decide 3-4-3 was the best formation.........The dude's a gonna it's only a matter of when.

Spot on. FDB knew the squad when appointed. Much as we might have wished for more, we still signed 4 players this window. Unless he thought he'd be able to get 7 or 8 in, which might have made 3-4-3 viable, FDB is still to blame for persisting in an unsuitable formation.

Could have stuck with 4-3-3 variant, but just impressed on players positivity of passing. Then switched formation when players a bit more comfortable for way of playing

 

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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I think that's a little harsh - Prospective/New Managers don;t have too long to make this call accurately.
I think he did looked at The players we had, then did believe they suited 3-4-3. I think he overestimated the ability of some of our players to play in the manner he wanted.

His mistake was not recognising that and not updating his plan. but then - maybe he recognised that it takes more time to Change, and soon they will adapt.

Edited by CrazyBadger (07 Sep 2017 2.46pm)

I think he made the call before even assessing the squad and was (in secret) hell bent on 3-4-3 wherever he managed in the prem.

If we knew (actually me and Bexleydave and a few others) it'd be more likely to fall on its & rse then Sammy Lee certainly knew.

Whether the mistake is not updating his plan or what not, it's Frank's responsibility and shoulders it falls on.

That doesn't mean to say I want him out. I'd rather he played to our strengths, gets 6 in the next 2 and a result or 2 out of ManC, Manu and Chelsea, then when we're at full strength get some pass and move going a bit more, with 3 at the back on the back burner for a while, ready to unleash without 3 months of notice like West Ham did to us last season.

 


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View DutchEagleJohan's Profile DutchEagleJohan Flag Vlissingen, Netherlands 07 Sep 17 4.33pm Send a Private Message to DutchEagleJohan Add DutchEagleJohan as a friend

I do not think that is harsh at all! Is it too much to ask from a new manager to properly look the games of last season(s) back? That should have told him a few things about amongst other Puncheon, Milo, Tekkers and Ward as a potential wing back, should it not?
And yes, finally it now seems picked up that he was never a 3-4-3 man with wing backs. The Ajax system is 4 at the back, and wingers UPFRONT. So why change not only the manner of your new team, but also the manner you are use to yourself? Copy the current champions? Try something new? Be different? A vanity project as understandably some have called it seems the most accurate description to me. You can perfectly ask players to play less direct and more controlled without changing the whole system for the sake of it. It simply can not be based on the quality of the squad as we may not be professional specialists as fans, we still have eyes in our head and can see what happens on the pitch.

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I think that's a little harsh - Prospective/New Managers don;t have too long to make this call accurately.
I think he did looked at The players we had, then did believe they suited 3-4-3. I think he overestimated the ability of some of our players to play in the manner he wanted.

His mistake was not recognising that and not updating his plan. but then - maybe he recognised that it takes more time to Change, and soon they will adapt.

Edited by CrazyBadger (07 Sep 2017 2.46pm)


Edited by DutchEagleJohan (07 Sep 2017 4.33pm)

 

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View matthau's Profile matthau Flag South Croydon 07 Sep 17 5.06pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Our players are more than capable of playing a short pass and move style, its just the tactic that was wrong.

Look at our players, a PVA grew up in the culture of pass and move, milo would've played that game in Greece no doubt, Cabaye, of course, Zaha one of the best wingers in British football should be able to, Townsend certainly did at spurs, Benteke does whenever he comes on for Belgium and did at Liverpool, Dann did for Blackburn, they weren't that direct, schlupp played a quick direct game admittedly at Leicester but even they play it on the ground because Vardy and Okosaki, whatever his name is, are short asses.

Most of our side have played pass and move or are capable. The issue has been the formation and not utilizing the only striker we have in the best way possible, Benteke is a target man predominantly.

 

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View matthau's Profile matthau Flag South Croydon 07 Sep 17 5.10pm Send a Private Message to matthau Add matthau as a friend

Going back to topic title, perhaps the conference was delayed as the game is sunday not Saturday?

Saying that I always thought these conferences of ours were held on a Friday anyway, no?

 

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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I think that's a little harsh - Prospective/New Managers don;t have too long to make this call accurately.
I think he did looked at The players we had, then did believe they suited 3-4-3. I think he overestimated the ability of some of our players to play in the manner he wanted.

His mistake was not recognising that and not updating his plan. but then - maybe he recognised that it takes more time to Change, and soon they will adapt.

Edited by CrazyBadger (07 Sep 2017 2.46pm)

Or just maybe he thought Palace might be a touch more patient than the idiots now running Inter Milan and give him more than 3 league games before hes under pressure to keep his job.
Its reasonable to assume he believed he could make it work with hard work and patience. Something (if he is sacked within the next 5 games) he has not been afforded.

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 07 Sep 17 5.24pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by matthau

Our players are more than capable of playing a short pass and move style, its just the tactic that was wrong.

Look at our players, a PVA grew up in the culture of pass and move, milo would've played that game in Greece no doubt, Cabaye, of course, Zaha one of the best wingers in British football should be able to, Townsend certainly did at spurs, Benteke does whenever he comes on for Belgium and did at Liverpool, Dann did for Blackburn, they weren't that direct, schlupp played a quick direct game admittedly at Leicester but even they play it on the ground because Vardy and Okosaki, whatever his name is, are short asses.

Most of our side have played pass and move or are capable. The issue has been the formation and not utilizing the only striker we have in the best way possible, Benteke is a target man predominantly.

The issue is as Sam Allardyce said yesterday. Almost word for word: 'It has nothing to do with systems and formations, they are creating enough chances but not putting them away. But the real issue is individually and collectively they are not defending correctly'

 

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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

We saw it at the end of Pardew's reign and the beginning on Sam's. Remember the 0-4 drubbing to a truly awful Sunderland team?

The Delaney moment pretending to be asleep on the bench at Swansea wasn't great but for the most part we were being beaten narrowly, often late in the game, due to poor fitness /subs/concentration. Last four games beat Soton, drew Hull lost narrowly at home to United and Chelsea.

The Sunderland game was a bit freakish really on the back of a good win at Bournemouth and hinged on some weak goalkeeping for the first goal and two mental minutes at the end of the first half. Always had a bit of hope that Sam would make us hard to beat although after the game at West Ham I looked at players leaving the pitch and thought we were gone then to be honest.

 

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View Nobbybm's Profile Nobbybm Flag Dartford 07 Sep 17 8.50pm Send a Private Message to Nobbybm Add Nobbybm as a friend

Originally posted by matthau

Going back to topic title, perhaps the conference was delayed as the game is sunday not Saturday?

Saying that I always thought these conferences of ours were held on a Friday anyway, no?

We delayed a few last season too but nobody gave a toss because the FdB feeding frenzy didn't exist.

 


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Originally posted by Nobbybm

We delayed a few last season too but nobody gave a toss because the FdB feeding frenzy didn't exist.

Yes it's gone insane and a lot of it is entertaining the bored. I'm a big critic but I appreciate there are more games needed (1 or 2 perhaps or game by game for a bit) for various reasons, analysis and decisions.

Part of the audience now. Demand constant entertainment, enjoyment, fulfilment, drama, where they can't create their own.

The other demand is a statement from parish. To say what? 'It's been sh1t but I'm putting full faith in Frank unless it's shyte and then he'll be sacked.' He's said the obvious already.

 


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View Nobbybm's Profile Nobbybm Flag Dartford 07 Sep 17 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Nobbybm Add Nobbybm as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes it's gone insane and a lot of it is entertaining the bored. I'm a big critic but I appreciate there are more games needed (1 or 2 perhaps or game by game for a bit) for various reasons, analysis and decisions.

Part of the audience now. Demand constant entertainment, enjoyment, fulfilment, drama, where they can't create their own.

The other demand is a statement from parish. To say what? 'It's been sh1t but I'm putting full faith in Frank unless it's shyte and then he'll be sacked.' He's said the obvious already.

I know what you mean. Problem is I can imagine a (very unlikely) situation where things turn around & we go on a run beating everyone & by the time we've beaten the entire top 6 at theirs the crowd are still booing. FdB stands in the middle of the emirates pitch & shouts "are you not entertained?!" Full on Gladiator style

 


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